Sosa, Lofton and Piazza Collusion

[lovethegame]

Bonds is 43 under indictment and injury prone
where is the outcry for a few other 40 somethings?
Sosa had 92 ribbies in less then 500 abs
Lofton nearly got the Tribe into the Series and Piazza is the greatest hitting catcher ever
Enough already with Bonds

[KCGHOST]

How many of these unintelligible threads are you going to start??

[SamtheBravesFan]

How many of these unintelligible threads are you going to start??

As many as he wants to. After all, he is our resident doofus poet.

The premise is silly, too. Just because a player is unsigned doesn't mean there is collusion or instances of being black-balled. I can imagine people not having a use for Piazza or Sosa. Lofton will surely be signed by someone as a Plan B or C.

[Old Sweater]

See the Braves dropped Javy Lopez because of collusion like the Rockies did last year.

[SamtheBravesFan]

See the Braves dropped Javy Lopez because of collusion like the Rockies did last year.

Got that right. :P

[Mattingly]

Bonds is 43 under indictment and injury prone
where is the outcry for a few other 40 somethings?
Sosa had 92 ribbies in less then 500 abs
Lofton nearly got the Tribe into the Series and Piazza is the greatest hitting catcher ever
Enough already with Bonds

I don't think that we need any "retatliation" types of threads because you feel that Barry Bonds doesn't deserve a contract. I share the sentiment of his unworthiness of getting a contract, but that's not because of whether he's got much left in the tank.

Do you honestly believe that a team is expected to sign Messrs Sosa, Lofton and Piazza, or were you just doing this because of the similarly-titled thread about Barry Bonds? If yes, kindly elaborate upon the reasons why you feel this way.

[west coast orange and black]

stbf: Just because a player is unsigned doesn't mean there is collusion or instances of being black-balled.

maybe... maybe not.
at the winter meets owners did discuss "what to do" with players named in the mitchell papers.

[cardsfanatic]

It could have something to do with the fact that one Barry Bonds is still more valuable than all three of the other guys combined.

[SamtheBravesFan]

stbf: Just because a player is unsigned doesn't mean there is collusion or instances of being black-balled.

maybe... maybe not.
at the winter meets owners did discuss "what to do" with players named in the mitchell papers.

And none of those three mentioned in the title of this thread were. I was really referring more to them.

[Mattingly]

stbf: Just because a player is unsigned doesn't mean there is collusion or instances of being black-balled.

maybe... maybe not.
at the winter meets owners did discuss "what to do" with players named in the mitchell papers.

So long as there are winter meetings, it seems possible that owners would exercise their right to avoid certain players.

I personally see no reason why teams should be expected to offer contracts to players whose inclusion in the Mitchell Report may make them look like "tainted goods".

Andy Pettitte was re-signed by the Yanks, since we need pitching. I still can't understand why Selig's Brewers signed Eric Gagne. Not only was he coming off a horrendous record, he was in the Mitchell Report and was offered arbitration, despite the likelihood that the team was only looking for draft picks, rather than keeping him on the roster.

[brewcrew82]

I still can't understand why Selig's Brewers signed Eric Gagne. Not only was he coming off a horrendous record, he was in the Mitchell Report and was offered arbitration, despite the likelihood that the team was only looking for draft picks, rather than keeping him on the roster.

Selig does not own the Brewers! I don't know how many times this needs to be said...Mark Attanasio bought the team in 2005. The Seligs are no longer involved with the franchise in any way.

Also, what is this about Gagne having a horrendous record? Do you have no idea what he did when he was in Texas? Yes, he struggled in Boston but he started off the year quite well, showing signs of his old form.

[Mattingly]

Selig does not own the Brewers! I don't know how many times this needs to be said...Mark Attanasio bought the team in 2005. The Seligs are no longer involved with the franchise in any way.

Also, what is this about Gagne having a horrendous record? Do you have no idea what he did when he was in Texas? Yes, he struggled in Boston but he started off the year quite well, showing signs of his old form.

So Wendy Selig doesn't own the team anymore? Wow, 3 years removed. I need to update my stats (or visit mlb.com some more).

Yes, he had a very good ERA of 2.16 in Texas, but when he was traded by the July 31st deadline, he totally folded. Time after time, he was given chances but did a complete U-turn from what he'd done that same season. I have no idea what happened.

I'm thinking that Gagne seems like Bartolo Colon, in having excellent years, then has very bad years. If had at a cheap price, then I could say it's a low-risk situation, but wasn't Gagne signed for the $8m range?

If he could return to where he was in Los Angeles, I think that would very much impress me.

[brewcrew82]

If had at a cheap price, then I could say it's a low-risk situation, but wasn't Gagne signed for the $8m range?

$10m plus up to $1m in incentives. A little more than I think he's worth but teams such as Milwaukee need to overpay if they want to do anything of note on the free agent market. It's only one year, so if he's the same as he was in Boston it'll be easy to cut the loss at years end.

[sturg1dj]

Lets compare these guys by ops+,

Bonds 170

Lofton 105
Sosa 102
Piazza 96

i would assume the lack of outcry is because of the lack of production


even though we all knew this...I felt it needed to be put in writing

[Old Sweater]

Selig does not own the Brewers! I don't know how many times this needs to be said...Mark Attanasio bought the team in 2005. The Seligs are no longer involved with the franchise in any way.

He still is a loyal fan, Milwaukee resident with the suspicions of still having a secret hand in the operations of the Brewers when Wendy had it.

As a minority owner of the Milwaukee Braves, Selig founded the organization Teams, Inc, in an attempt to prevent the majority owners (based out of Chicago) from moving the club to a larger television market. This was challenged legally on the basis that no prior team relocations (in the modern era) left a city without a team. Prior movements had all originated in cities which were home to two teams. When his quest to keep the team in Milwaukee finally failed after the 1965 season, he changed the group's name to Milwaukee Brewers Baseball Club, Inc., after the minor league baseball team he grew up watching, and devoted himself to returning Major League Baseball to Milwaukee.




Upon his assumption of the commissioner's role, Selig transferred his ownership interest in the Brewers to his daughter Wendy Selig-Prieb in order to remove any technical conflicts of interest, though it was widely presumed he maintained some hand in team operations. Although the team has been sold to Los Angeles investor Mark Attanasio, questions remain regarding Selig's past involvement. Selig's defenders point to the poor management of the team after Selig-Prieb took control as proof that Selig was not working behind the scenes.

Selig has long been considered a hero by baseball fans in Milwaukee, and while such enthusiasm ebbed somewhat during the failed management term of his daughter, Selig is still recognized for all that he as done for baseball and its presence in Milwaukee. In particular, Selig is famous for his lunches at Gilles Frozen Custard, a well-known hotdog and custard stand not far from Miller Park in Milwaukee.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bud_Selig

Also Bush does not own the Rangers no longer but it still raised some eyebrows when no current players were listed in the Mitchell Report as did Brewer players not named.