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    Not just the opening day roster, but their DL players too. Johan Santana makes $12mil more than the entire Marlins rotation. Money isn't everything, but I think this illustrates a large distorted parity in a profession which is supposed to be "unionized" (what a joke). Of course, that said, the union has gotten some great minimum salaries for complete and utter stiffs and also-runs, so I'm sure the players aren't really complaining.

    But do you think this kind of payroll disparity hurts the game, and if so how? Do you blame - in this example - the Yankees or the Marlins more?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080401/...e/bbo_salaries
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    This is the fault of Marlins ownership, and not just the current one. It is an outrage. Jeff Loria should not be allowed to own a team.

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    • #3
      Yea this is more showing up the very low spending of the Marlins owners that is hurting baseball rather than the top players earning too much (Im sure the yankees and baseball in general is profiting very well from A-rod, its just very hard to quantify how much he brings to the game financially).

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      • #4
        Loria gets more money from revenue sharing then he spends on palyers salaries.

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        • #5
          A-Rod makes more than the entire marlins? That's just wrong. Does he really need all that cash. Greed,Greed,Greed

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          • #6
            That team should be relocated somewhere where they give a damn about baseball.
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            • #7
              The Yankees and the Marlins each profit (although not to the same degree) from a system that is seriously screwed up. However, I blame the Marlins a whole lot less than I blame the Yankees, if for no other reason than they've only been around since 1993.
              Baseball is a great sport. MLB is a great example of how not to run a sports league. It amazes me that the 25 or so mid to small market teams don't gang up on the top five income teams and force economic parity. All the owners must be making at least an off the books profit, because they're obviously in no hurry to abandon MLBs "30 boats going wherever the hell they want to go" model in favor of the NFLs "one boat with 32 rowers" model.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Old Sweater View Post
                Loria gets more money from revenue sharing then he spends on palyers salaries.
                I'm curious, how much do the Marlins get via revenue sharing?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mattingly View Post
                  I'm curious, how much do the Marlins get via revenue sharing?

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                  Team Amount paid (millions)
                  New York Yankees $76
                  Boston Red Sox $52
                  Chicago Cubs $32
                  Seattle Mariners $25
                  New York Mets $24
                  Los Angeles Dodgers $20
                  St. Louis Cardinals $19
                  Chicago White Sox $18
                  San Francisco Giants $14
                  Houston Astros $11
                  Los Angeles Angels $11
                  Atlanta Braves $10
                  Texas Rangers $.035

                  Here are the payees under the revenue sharing system:

                  Team Amount received (millions)
                  Tampa Bay Devil Rays $33
                  Toronto Blue Jays $31
                  Florida Marlins $31
                  Kansas City Royals $30
                  Detroit Tigers $25
                  Pittsburgh Pirates $25
                  Milwaukee Brewers $24
                  Minnesota Twins $22
                  Oakland Athletics $19
                  Cincinnati Reds $16
                  Colorado Rockies $16
                  Arizona Diamondbacks $13
                  Cleveland Indians $6.0
                  Philadelphia Phillies $5.8
                  San Diego Padres $5.7
                  Washington Nationals $3.9
                  Baltimore Orioles $2.0

                  So the real question is: "What are these recipients doing with their money?"

                  Club Revenue Sharing Opening Day Payroll Difference
                  Tampa Bay Devil Rays $33,000,000 $35,417,967 -$2,417,967
                  Toronto Blue Jays $31,000,000 $71,915,000 -$40,915,000
                  Florida Marlins $31,000,000 $14,998,500 +$16,001,500
                  Kansas City Royals $30,000,000 $47,294,000 -$17,294,000
                  Detroit Tigers $25,000,000 $82,612,866 -$57,612,866
                  Pittsburgh Pirates $25,000,000 $46,717,750 -$21,717,750
                  Milwaukee Brewers $24,000,000 $57,568,333 -$33,568,333
                  Minnesota Twins $22,000,000 $63,396,006 -$41,396,006
                  Oakland Athletics $19,000,000 $62,243,079 -$43,243,079
                  Cincinnati Reds $16,000,000 $60,909,519 -$44,909,519
                  Colorado Rockies $16,000,000 $41,233,000 -$25,909,519
                  Arizona Diamondbacks $13,000,000 $59,684,226 -$46,684,226
                  Cleveland Indians $6,000,000 $56,031,500 -$50,031,500
                  Philadelphia Phillies $5,800,000 $88,273,333 -$82,473,333
                  San Diego Padres $5,700,000 $69,896,141 -$64,196,141
                  Washington Nationals $3,900,000 $63,143,000 -$59,243,000
                  Baltimore Orioles $2,000,000 $72,585,582 -$70,585,582
                  I think thses are from the 2006 season. I assume the Marlins got around 30mil or so for 2007.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Silver Blaze View Post
                    Not just the opening day roster, but their DL players too. Johan Santana makes $12mil more than the entire Marlins rotation. Money isn't everything, but I think this illustrates a large distorted parity in a profession which is supposed to be "unionized" (what a joke). Of course, that said, the union has gotten some great minimum salaries for complete and utter stiffs and also-runs, so I'm sure the players aren't really complaining.

                    But do you think this kind of payroll disparity hurts the game, and if so how? Do you blame - in this example - the Yankees or the Marlins more?

                    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080401/...e/bbo_salaries
                    I don't know how much others here would say that Alex Rodriguez is actually worth. Is any player worth an average of $27.5m/yr? Is the top position player worth more than the top pitcher when both receive new contracts (in the case of Santana, an extension) in the same off-season?

                    As to unionization, then they have a higher base salary than most regular people. Isn't the base salary in the $400,000/yr range? That's more than any construction worker I've ever known. Unlike regular unions, such as teachers, emergency workers (fire, police, emt), construction workers, etc, there is a wide array of talent levels. Actors are also unionized, but isn't there a wide range in the pay scale? Jim Carrey makes $20m per movie, but your actor who waiters at the local hi-priced restaurant makes very little by comparison.

                    I would blame both teams, since the Yanks have more players in the top tier of payroll than any other team. However, the Marlins' payroll is at the opposite end of things and Manny Ramirez is just below their entire payroll ($20m vs $21.8m).

                    The Yanks have signed Mo Rivera to a $45m/3 yr deal, which no other deal would've even considered giving him. After the Mets offered Jorge Posada a 4-year deal, the Yanks had to counter with theirs in the $55m range.

                    Florida just traded away Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis to the Tigers, both of whom were expected to make big bucks soon, so (please correct me if I'm wrong on this), they obviously have no intention of having any kind of top-ranked players to build a team around. To me, the guy who's your team's backbone will get more money, but they traded him away.

                    Minnesota can also be called to task also, since they chose not to re-sign Johan Santana, despite their team's owner, Carl Pohlad, being a billionaire. They also wanted a much lower payroll and only wanted MLB-ready guys who were years away from arbitration. Is there a trend going on?

                    I think that teams should spend more in the middle, but depending upon the market they exist in, there is still expected to be a great difference between many teams' payrolls.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mattingly View Post
                      Minnesota can also be called to task also, since they chose not to re-sign Johan Santana, despite their team's owner, Carl Pohlad, being a billionaire. They also wanted a much lower payroll and only wanted MLB-ready guys who were years away from arbitration. Is there a trend going on?
                      Minnesota offered Santana $20mil per year for 4 years and he turned it down. The real crazy thing here is now players are pushing owners into longer deals - 5 to 7 years. This is simply nuts.

                      Minnesota spent $71mil last season, and that was still 19th, but you certainly can't accuse them of being cheap (like the Pirates and Marlins). Besides, they just handed out $47mil to Joe Nathan - a kind of curious deal for a team that suddenly has much bigger problems than closer. Again, do you see Pittsburgh or Florida handing over that kind of money?

                      I think some teams are realizing that young guys can often perform as well, if not better, than some of the veterans, and for substantial cost savings. Even then, there's a world of difference between a team of legitimate prospects and the AAA team that Florida is putting out there this year.

                      Back to Florida, I will give them that they rank dead last in attendance for last year at 1.3mil. Not all of that is their fault, but having firesales doesn't do much to install fans' faith in a commitment to winning. So I do blame Florida, but I also blame the Yankees for escalating prices on even average players with some of the ridiculous deals they give out. The average MLB salary is now $3 mil.

                      I would have no problem with A-Rod at $20mil being the top of the range, with the next superstars at $16mil and $18mil, but $27mil or whatever it is is just ridiculous.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by JerseySoxFan19 View Post
                        A-Rod makes more than the entire marlins? That's just wrong. Does he really need all that cash. Greed,Greed,Greed
                        So if you were offered A-Rod's contract you would tell the Yankees, "No. Your offer is way too much. Please offer me a much smaller contract."?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
                          So if you were offered A-Rod's contract you would tell the Yankees, "No. Your offer is way too much. Please offer me a much smaller contract."?
                          Of course the noble thing to do is... put the money back in Steinbrenner's pocket? Resot of post not directed at you, HWR.

                          I sure hope all you guys are going to take your tax refund checks and go to the store and buy some overpriced, useless, soon-to-be obsolete electronic goods or the latest American Idol season on DVD or something. You know, because it's your duty to reinvest that redistributed income back into the economy...

                          What, wait, the Marlins might be saving some of that money to use to resign Hanley Ramirez when he become arbitration eligible? Maybe they'll invest some of that money in scouting, minor league systems, and player development. Just because you don't see the money being spent, that doesn't mean they aren't attempting to improve their team. Small (tiny, in the Marlins case) market teams can't compete every year - they have to cycle through periods of intense player development and then roster building when the time is right. It is nothing short of asinine to think even putting that money in their pocket to be used at a later date would not be a better use of $30M than dumping it at some middling veteran who will turn them from a 65 win team to a 68 win team.

                          Embarrassing, huh? Two championships in the last ten seasons, feel free to tuck your tails between your legs now! I've said it before and I'll say it again, perhaps you should be thankful this team doesn't have major resources!
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JerseySoxFan19 View Post
                            A-Rod makes more than the entire marlins? That's just wrong. Does he really need all that cash. Greed,Greed,Greed
                            He's hardly the only player drawing a substantial salary.

                            What should baseball do with their billions in lieu of paying the players in a capitalistic system?

                            The Marlins trade off their veteran players, which is why their salary is so low. They do very well in regards to who they get for their veteran players.

                            The people there do care about baseball, ShortStop. That's proven every spring training when the fans come out for those games. They also care to root for a team that isn't going to sell off their good players. Stable ownership and stable lineups will draw. Owners who own for investment purposes and star players who get traded off year after year are not good sell points for fans.
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                            • #15
                              dirk: Two championships in the last ten seasons, feel free to tuck your tails between your legs now!

                              too bad that marlins management can not at least seem to be trying.
                              you do get to laugh well and have the last laugh, though, by reminding us of the two ws trophies.
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