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  • #16
    I must admit that Campillo does have four unearned runs (out of five) against him which inflates his score quite a bit. However, it is funny to see him on the leaderboard.
    46 wins to match last year's total

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    • #17
      I have to agree with the others who have suggested at least changing the "weight" of the Saves, or eliminating them entirely.

      With the (IMO) absurd modern definition of "Save" and the absurd usage of Closers, I think the term Save has degenerated to a point where it's unworthy of any consideration at all.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by THE OX View Post
        I have to agree with the others who have suggested at least changing the "weight" of the Saves, or eliminating them entirely.

        With the (IMO) absurd modern definition of "Save" and the absurd usage of Closers, I think the term Save has degenerated to a point where it's unworthy of any consideration at all.
        Zagi has already done so, and I like the results.
        46 wins to match last year's total

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        • #19
          Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post
          Zagi has already done so, and I like the results.
          Thank you, SBF, for a very usefull suggestion.

          I kept this formula for evaluating relievers:
          MVR=(SO +IP -15*ERA)/IP*4.5
          Now, here are the results:

          Code:
          MVR                            SO        IP      ERA
          10.0	Santiago Casilla Athlet	21	17.1	0
          9.7	Joakim Soria	Royals	15	13	0
          8.7	Mariano Rivera	Yankees	12	13	0
          8.6	Troy Percival	Rays	10	11	0
          6.1	Joey Devine	Athleti	15	13.1	0.68
          6.0	Hideki Okajima	Red Sox	14	15	0.6
          5.8	Joe Nathan	Twins	14	13	0.69
          5.0	Franklyn German	Rangers	11	14.1	0.63
          4.4	Jesse Carlson	Blue J	18	14.2	1.23
          4.2	Ramon Ramirez	Royals	17	15	1.2
          
          9.0	Billy Wagner	Mets	13	13	0
          9.0	Hong-Chih Kuo	Dod	23	13.2	0.66
          8.7	Brad Lidge	Phill	15	16	0
          6.4	Carlos Marmol	Cubs	28	21	1.29
          6.0	Ron Villone	Card	14	14.1	0.63
          6.0	J.C. Romero	Phill	14	14.1	0.63
          5.9	Chad Qualls	Diams	20	19.1	0.93
          5.0	Renyel Pinto	Marlins	14	23.2	0.76
          4.6	Doug Waechter	Marlins	11	12.2	0.71
          3.7	John Grabow	Pirates	14	16	1.13
          I like this results, I think that's much objective and real for the relievers.
          Seems like Casilla is total wiiner - 10.0 mark!!

          Have you any comments?
          Last edited by Zagi-CRO; 05-08-2008, 02:01 AM.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post
            I must admit that Campillo does have four unearned runs (out of five) against him which inflates his score quite a bit. However, it is funny to see him on the leaderboard.
            Only for the Braves:

            Code:
            2.5	Jorge Campillo
            -5.1	Blaine Boyer
            -7.6	Manny Acosta
            -9.6	Will Ohman
            -11.8	Peter Moylan
            -17.9	Jeff Bennett
            -25.5	Buddy Carlyle
            -27.8	Rafael Soriano
            -43.9	Chris Resop
            -86.4	Royce Ring
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Zagi-CRO View Post
              Only for the Braves:

              Code:
              2.5	Jorge Campillo
              -5.1	Blaine Boyer
              -7.6	Manny Acosta
              -9.6	Will Ohman
              -11.8	Peter Moylan
              -17.9	Jeff Bennett
              -25.5	Buddy Carlyle
              -27.8	Rafael Soriano
              -43.9	Chris Resop
              -86.4	Royce Ring
              That's a lot of negative scores. It must be common, though, because of the weighting. I must say, if it wasn't for Campillo having four unearned runs to his "credit", he'd have a negative score too. The bullpen has been doing it's job lately, though.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Zagi-CRO View Post
                Thank you, SBF, for a very usefull suggestion.

                I kept this formula for evaluating relievers:
                MVR=(SO +IP -15*ERA)/IP*4.5

                Have you any comments?
                Early in the season, there aren't many SO & IP so that is a smaller component of the numerator of that equation. By the end of the season, the -15*ERA will start to get dwarfed.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by RuthMayBond View Post
                  Early in the season, there aren't many SO & IP so that is a smaller component of the numerator of that equation. By the end of the season, the -15*ERA will start to get dwarfed.
                  Yes, you have right. Going to the end of the season, player's result will be much objective - among 3.0 and 10.00 marks.
                  SO and IP will grow up and ERA will be quite the same - about 1.00 - 3.00.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post
                    That's a lot of negative scores. It must be common, though, because of the weighting. I must say, if it wasn't for Campillo having four unearned runs to his "credit", he'd have a negative score too. The bullpen has been doing it's job lately, though.
                    A negative score is because of a very poor ERA:

                    Code:
                                    MVR      SO       ERA      IP  
                    Jorge Campillo	 2.5	12	1.23	14.2
                    Will Ohman	-5.5	6	2.19	12.1
                    Blaine Boyer	-8.4	20	4.82	18.2
                    Manny Acosta	-9.8	10	3.68	14.2
                    Jeff Bennett	-20.0	8	4.97	12.2
                    Chris Resop	-43.9	9	7.84	10.1
                    Last edited by Zagi-CRO; 05-09-2008, 02:55 AM.
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                    • #25
                      take a look

                      Code:
                      MVR                             SV       SO     IP    ERA
                      8.3	Joey Devine	Athle      0	22	17.2	0.51
                      6.4	Sant Casilla	Athle	1	22	19.1	0.93
                      6.1	Mariano Rivera	Yankees	11	14	17	0.53
                      5.7	Joakim Soria	Royals	11	20	17.1	1.04
                      5.0	Hideki Okajima	Red Sox	1	16	19.1	0.93
                      
                      9.5	Billy Wagner	Mets	9	19	17	0
                      7.8	Hong-Chih Kuo	Dodgers	0	28	19.1	0.93
                      7.8	Brad Lidge	Philli	10	21	19	0.47
                      7.0	Carlos Marmol	Cubs	2	40	28	1.61
                      4.3	Renyel Pinto	Marlins	0	18	27.2	1.3
                      The Athletics have two relievers on the top. Seems Wagner is doing a job very well.
                      Last edited by Zagi-CRO; 05-20-2008, 02:22 AM.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Zagi-CRO View Post
                        A negative score is because of a very poor ERA:

                        Code:
                                        MVR      SO       ERA      IP  
                        Jorge Campillo	 2.5	12	1.23	14.2
                        Will Ohman	-5.5	6	2.19	12.1
                        Blaine Boyer	-8.4	20	4.82	18.2
                        Manny Acosta	-9.8	10	3.68	14.2
                        Jeff Bennett	-20.0	8	4.97	12.2
                        Chris Resop	-43.9	9	7.84	10.1
                        I can see that the ERA has a lot of weight attached to it here. The Braves' bullpen is doing quite well right now, if you take a look at it. They have a streak of 16 scoreless innings right now.
                        46 wins to match last year's total

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post
                          I can see that the ERA has a lot of weight attached to it here. The Braves' bullpen is doing quite well right now, if you take a look at it. They have a streak of 16 scoreless innings right now.
                          a minute please... ... opening my excel tabel
                          Code:
                                           MVR      SO      ERA    IP
                          Jorge Campillo	 4.1	17	1.27	21.1
                          Will Ohman	-1.4	14	2.5	18
                          Blaine Boyer	-1.7	27	4.01	24.2
                          Manny Acosta	-4.2	13	3.48	20.2
                          Jeff Bennett	-4.9	11	3.54	20.1
                          Peter Moylan	-11.8	5	1.59	5.2
                          Buddy Carlyle	-20.1	7	3.38	8
                          Chris Resop	-22.1	11	5.93	13.2
                          Rafael Soriano	-27.8	5	2.25	4
                          Royce Ring	-53.0	7	6.43	7
                          Phil Stockman	9.0	1	0	1
                          O, yes, they are better now.
                          Last edited by Zagi-CRO; 05-20-2008, 07:36 AM.
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                          • #28
                            Like I said, ERA has a lot of weight attached to it. They are doing better right now, sure. Campillo's stats may get knocked down in his next game: he's going to start game two of the doubleheader today. I actually have some confidence in him in starting, though, since he spent 2007 in Class AAA being a starter in the favored offense enviroment of the Pacific Coast League.
                            46 wins to match last year's total

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                            • #29
                              Look at the best numbers, for the Dodgers

                              Code:
                              Hong-Chih Kuo	7.8	28	0.93	19.1
                              Joe Beimel	4.5	10	0.66	13.2
                              Takashi Saito	1.0	18	2.08	17.1
                              Chan Ho Park	0.3	9	2.16	25
                              Cory Wade	-4.5	5	1.69	10.2
                              Scott Proctor	-9.0	19	5.48	21.1
                              Esteban Loaiza	-9.0	6	2.84	12.2
                              Jonathan Broxton	-10.7	22	5.29	17
                              Ramon Troncoso	-114.9	5	9.53	5.2
                              Chad Billingsley	-115.3	2	3.86	2.1
                              Yhency Brazoban	-126.0	3	6	3
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post
                                Like I said, ERA has a lot of weight attached to it. They are doing better right now, sure. Campillo's stats may get knocked down in his next game: he's going to start game two of the doubleheader today. I actually have some confidence in him in starting, though, since he spent 2007 in Class AAA being a starter in the favored offense enviroment of the Pacific Coast League.
                                Campillo is a rookie? I didn't see him before...
                                Last edited by Zagi-CRO; 05-20-2008, 07:45 AM.
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