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  • #1

    Batters - Season 2008

    Who is hot among the batters?

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    AL BATTERS
OF	0.34	Nate McLouth
OF	0.32	Xavier Nady
OF	0.30	Torii Hunter
C	0.27	A.J. Pierzynski
OF	0.27	Vernon Wells
OF	0.27	Jermaine Dye

NL BATTERS
3B	0.36	Mark Reynolds
OF	0.34	Chris Young
2B	0.31	Chase Utley
OF	0.29	Kosuke Fukudome
OF	0.29	Pat Burrell
1B	0.29	Derrek Lee
    McLouth and Nady at the AL top!!
    The Voice of Croatia - Glas Hrvatske
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  • #2
    Nate McLouth and Xavier Nady are NL players, Zagi!

    National League Teams

    NL East
    Atlanta Braves
    Florida Marlins
    New York Mets
    Philadelphia Phillies
    Washington Nationals

    NL Central
    Chicago Cubs
    Cincinnati Reds
    Houston Astros
    Milwaukee Brewers
    Pittsburgh Pirates
    St. Louis Cardinals

    NL West
    Arizona Diamondbacks
    Colorado Rockies
    Los Angeles Dodgers
    San Diego Padres
    San Francisco Giants

    American League Teams

    AL East
    Baltimore Orioles
    Boston Red Sox
    New York Yankees
    Tampa Bay Rays
    Toronto Blue Jays

    AL Central
    Chicago White Sox
    Cleveland Indians
    Detroit Tigers
    Kansas City Royals
    Minnesota Twins

    AL West
    Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim
    Oakland Athletics
    Seattle Mariners
    Texas Rangers

    Save that list. It'll help you.
    46 wins to match last year's total

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    • #3
      What is the formula?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by slugger33 View Post
        What is the formula?
        He showed it in another thread, I think. It makes more sense as the season goes on. It's a bit hit-weighted, though. Since Nate McLouth has the most hits in the NL (last I checked), he has a high score.
        46 wins to match last year's total

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        • #5
          Originally posted by slugger33 View Post
          What is the formula?
          MVB=(RBI+R+1B+ BB+2*2B +2.5*SB+3*3B+ 4.5*HR+ 0.5*AVG*AB)/162

          I told him it should be divided by games played instead of since his formula benefits players who have played more games than others instead of having an even field.
          Unlike most other team sports, in which teams usually have an equivalent number of players on the field at any given time, in baseball the hitting team is at a numerical disadvantage, with a maximum of 5 players and 2 base coaches on the field at any time, compared to the fielding team's 9 players. For this reason, leaving the dugout to join a fight is generally considered acceptable in that it results in numerical equivalence on the field, and a fairer fight.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by redlegsfan21 View Post
            MVB=(RBI+R+1B+ BB+2*2B +2.5*SB+3*3B+ 4.5*HR+ 0.5*AVG*AB)/162

            I told him it should be divided by games played instead of since his formula benefits players who have played more games than others instead of having an even field.
            And he retorted that scenario would skew the results towards players who put up good stats in less playing time, as I recall. Not sure where the middle ground is.

            EDIT: I took a look at the formula, and is that too much of a multiplier for stolen bases? I'm thinking that's a little high. Maybe there should be some kind of penalty for caught stealings.
            Last edited by SamtheBravesFan; 04-10-2008, 07:45 PM.
            46 wins to match last year's total

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            • #7
              Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post
              And he retorted that scenario would skew the results towards players who put up good stats in less playing time, as I recall. Not sure where the middle ground is.

              EDIT: I took a look at the formula, and is that too much of a multiplier for stolen bases? I'm thinking that's a little high. Maybe there should be some kind of penalty for caught stealings.
              MVB=(RBI+R+1B+ BB+2*2B +2.5*SB+3*3B+ 4.5*HR+ 0.5*AVG*AB)/162 min=150AB

              Yes, maybe I could put koeficient 2 for SB?
              A number 162 must be here. I made many simulation counting with real player's games but I'm not satisfied with the outcomes for MVB.
              Thanks on any suggestion!!
              The Voice of Croatia - Glas Hrvatske

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              • #8
                Some examples:

                When I use my math with 162 games, here are the results for Apr,10:

                Code:
                0.37	Mark Reynolds
0.36	Nate McLouth
0.35	Chris Young
0.33	Corey Patterson
0.33	Chase Utley
0.32	Torii Hunter
0.32	Joe Crede
0.32	Xavier Nady
0.31	Pat Burrell
0.31	Kosuke Fukudome
                Mark Reynolds is the leader for now. If he keeps this pace he''ll be about 5.90-6.00 mark. It would be excellent! For ex. only A-Rod had 5.50 and up mark.
                Why Reynolds is the best? He has 5 HR's /the highest number/, 13 RBI's and a very solid AVG 0.316.


                When I use games instead of 162 then we have a new situation:

                Code:
                8.00	Jeremy Hermida
7.31	Nate McLouth
6.69	Corey Patterson
6.67	Mark Reynolds
6.62	Cliff Floyd
6.57	A.J. Pierzynski
6.50	Joe Crede
6.50	Xavier Nady
6.25	Kosuke Fukudome
6.22	Chris Young
                Now, Hermida has the best mark - 8.00! But he has only 1 game and 5 AB.
                Cliff Floyd has only 4 games. Chase Utley, one of the best, is on 15th place etc. etc.
                So, I think that's a wrong view.
                What do you think about it?
                Last edited by Zagi-CRO; 04-11-2008, 01:45 AM.
                The Voice of Croatia - Glas Hrvatske

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Zagi-CRO View Post
                  Some examples:

                  When I use my math with 162 games, here are the results for Apr,10:

                  Code:
                  0.37	Mark Reynolds
0.36	Nate McLouth
0.35	Chris Young
0.33	Corey Patterson
0.33	Chase Utley
0.32	Torii Hunter
0.32	Joe Crede
0.32	Xavier Nady
0.31	Pat Burrell
0.31	Kosuke Fukudome
                  Mark Reynolds is the leader for now. If he keeps this pace he''ll be about 5.90-6.00 mark. It would be excellent! For ex. only A-Rod had 5.50 and up mark.
                  Why Reynolds is the best? He has 5 HR's /the highest number/, 13 RBI's and a very solid AVG 0.316.


                  When I use games instead of 162 then we have a new situation:

                  Code:
                  8.00	Jeremy Hermida
7.31	Nate McLouth
6.69	Corey Patterson
6.67	Mark Reynolds
6.62	Cliff Floyd
6.57	A.J. Pierzynski
6.50	Joe Crede
6.50	Xavier Nady
6.25	Kosuke Fukudome
6.22	Chris Young
                  Now, Hermida has the best mark - 8.00! But he has only 1 game and 5 AB.
                  Cliff Floyd has only 4 games. Chase Utley, one of the best, is on 15th place etc. etc.
                  So, I think that's a wrong view.
                  What do you think about it?
                  Well, you could use MLB's standard for Batting Average which is 3.1 Plate Appearances per game (by the team) as the minimum requirement. And honestly, I don't mind Hermida since he is on my fantasy team and if he were best, that would be amazing. I am also glad to see Corey Patterson up there. Sorry to like complicate your formula more.
                  Unlike most other team sports, in which teams usually have an equivalent number of players on the field at any given time, in baseball the hitting team is at a numerical disadvantage, with a maximum of 5 players and 2 base coaches on the field at any time, compared to the fielding team's 9 players. For this reason, leaving the dugout to join a fight is generally considered acceptable in that it results in numerical equivalence on the field, and a fairer fight.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by redlegsfan21 View Post
                    Well, you could use MLB's standard for Batting Average which is 3.1 Plate Appearances per game (by the team) as the minimum requirement. And honestly, I don't mind Hermida since he is on my fantasy team and if he were best, that would be amazing. I am also glad to see Corey Patterson up there. Sorry to like complicate your formula more.
                    3.1 Plate Appearances per game, it's good as requirement! I'll try use it.
                    The Voice of Croatia - Glas Hrvatske

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                    • #11
                      My question to you is, why are you including RBIs and Runs? They really aren't a product of the hitter/baserunner, rather, the situation. Also, caught stealing and HBPs aren't included, is there a reason. Otherwise, hypothetically, a guy who stole 20 bases and got caught 20 times would score higher than a guy who stole 15 and got caught 0 times (assuming equality elsewhere).

                      This is similar to Equivalent Average, or EqA.

                      (H + TB + 1.5*(BB + HBP + SB) + SH + SF) / (AB + BB + HBP + SH + SF + CS + SB) = Raw EqA (EqA would be this figure normalized to a mean of .260).

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Rapmaster View Post
                        My question to you is, why are you including RBIs and Runs? They really aren't a product of the hitter/baserunner, rather, the situation. Also, caught stealing and HBPs aren't included, is there a reason. Otherwise, hypothetically, a guy who stole 20 bases and got caught 20 times would score higher than a guy who stole 15 and got caught 0 times (assuming equality elsewhere).

                        This is similar to Equivalent Average, or EqA.

                        (H + TB + 1.5*(BB + HBP + SB) + SH + SF) / (AB + BB + HBP + SH + SF + CS + SB) = Raw EqA (EqA would be this figure normalized to a mean of .260).
                        What does it means TB, HBP, SH, SF, CS?
                        The Voice of Croatia - Glas Hrvatske

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                        • #13
                          Code:
                                   MVB
2B	10.50	Chase Utley
3B	10.42	Chipper Jones
3B	10.25	David Wright
1B	10.11	Derrek Lee
OF	9.95	Nate McLouth
SS	9.87	Rafael Furcal
SS	9.87	Hanley Ramirez
1B	9.26	Conor Jackson
3B	9.08	Mark Reynolds
OF	9.00	Pat Burrell
OF	9.00	Manny Ramirez
1B	8.76	Lance Berkman
OF	8.76	Eric Byrnes
2B	8.70	Howie Kendrick
OF	8.45	Justin Upton
OF	8.42	Matt Holliday
1B	8.40	Albert Pujols
OF	8.37	B.J. Upton
1B	8.33	Mike Jacobs
OF	8.29	Xavier Nady
                          I think MVB quite good represents the most valuable batters till Apr, 22nd.
                          MVB=(RBI+R+1B+ BB+2*2B +2*SB+3*3B+ 4*HR+ AVG*AB)/G*1.5
                          I made some changes in my math... divide with G /games/.
                          Last edited by Zagi-CRO; 04-30-2008, 01:27 AM.
                          The Voice of Croatia - Glas Hrvatske

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Zagi-CRO View Post
                            What does it means TB, HBP, SH, SF, CS?
                            TB=Total Bases
                            HBP=Hit by Pitch
                            SH-Sacrifice Hit
                            SF=Sacrifice Fly
                            CS=Caught Stealing
                            Unlike most other team sports, in which teams usually have an equivalent number of players on the field at any given time, in baseball the hitting team is at a numerical disadvantage, with a maximum of 5 players and 2 base coaches on the field at any time, compared to the fielding team's 9 players. For this reason, leaving the dugout to join a fight is generally considered acceptable in that it results in numerical equivalence on the field, and a fairer fight.

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                            • #15
                              i'd go with Hanley right now or Utley

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