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  • #16
    Originally posted by OleMissCub View Post
    I keep waiting for the bubble to burst on Volquez, but man, he is looking fantastic lately.

    Only problem is......he's managed by Dusty Baker. So the MLB should prepare itself for the young death of another pitching phenom i.e. Mark Prior.
    What I find amazing is that two players involved in a trade have their photos on this page.

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    Unlike most other team sports, in which teams usually have an equivalent number of players on the field at any given time, in baseball the hitting team is at a numerical disadvantage, with a maximum of 5 players and 2 base coaches on the field at any time, compared to the fielding team's 9 players. For this reason, leaving the dugout to join a fight is generally considered acceptable in that it results in numerical equivalence on the field, and a fairer fight.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by redlegsfan21 View Post
      Well, to make my case more for Edinson Volquez, he has a 1.23 ERA compared to Webb's 1.98 ERA. Webb has 1 more K than Volquez but has pitched 11.2 IP more which isn't really Volquez's fault since he started the season as the #4 starter.

      Felix Hernandez has had a pretty good year so far. 2-1 with a 2.22 ERA, leading the AL in Ks with 41 and a 1.23 WHIP.
      Volquez is 4-1
      Webb is 6-0, and by the end of today, he will be 7-0
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      • #18
        Originally posted by dbacksfan95 View Post
        Volquez is 4-1
        Webb is 6-0, and by the end of today, he will be 7-0
        Records are not a good way to judge pitching. Aaron Harang pitches for the same team, has a 2.98 ERA and is 1-4. Not often you see a pitcher in the month of April have a sub-3 ERA and 4 losses. Volquez's one loss was when the Reds scored ZERO runs. Hard to win when your team doesn't score.
        Last edited by redlegsfan21; 05-03-2008, 05:02 PM.
        Unlike most other team sports, in which teams usually have an equivalent number of players on the field at any given time, in baseball the hitting team is at a numerical disadvantage, with a maximum of 5 players and 2 base coaches on the field at any time, compared to the fielding team's 9 players. For this reason, leaving the dugout to join a fight is generally considered acceptable in that it results in numerical equivalence on the field, and a fairer fight.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by redlegsfan21 View Post
          Records are not a good way to judge pitching. Aaron Harang pitches for the same team, has a 2.98 ERA and is 1-4. Not often you see a pitcher in the month of April have a sub-3 ERA and 4 losses. Volquez's one loss was when the Reds scored ZERO runs. Hard to win when your team doesn't score.
          well just watch webb if you don't like his 7-0 record
          you'll see
          "I swing big, with everything I've got. I hit big or I miss big. I like to live as big as I can." - Babe Ruth

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          • #20
            Originally posted by dbacksfan95 View Post
            well just watch webb if you don't like his 7-0 record
            you'll see
            I saw him Opening Day and I know he is a GREAT GREAT pitcher but Volquez has been just a little better this year. Webb's ERA is about twice as high as Volquez's. If you go by record, then Wang is better than Lee this year which would be hard to believe since Lee has a sub-1 ERA compared to Wang's 3 ERA.
            Last edited by redlegsfan21; 05-04-2008, 12:06 PM.
            Unlike most other team sports, in which teams usually have an equivalent number of players on the field at any given time, in baseball the hitting team is at a numerical disadvantage, with a maximum of 5 players and 2 base coaches on the field at any time, compared to the fielding team's 9 players. For this reason, leaving the dugout to join a fight is generally considered acceptable in that it results in numerical equivalence on the field, and a fairer fight.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by redlegsfan21 View Post
              I saw him Opening Day and I know he is a GREAT GREAT pitcher but Volquez has been just a little better this year. Webb's ERA is about twice as high as Volquez's. If you go by record, then Wang is better than Lee this year which would be hard to believe since Lee has a sub-1 ERA compared to Wang's 3 ERA.
              I agree with the Lee>Wang thing but Webb's record is almost twice as high as Volquez's
              "I swing big, with everything I've got. I hit big or I miss big. I like to live as big as I can." - Babe Ruth

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              • #22
                Originally posted by redlegsfan21 View Post
                I saw him Opening Day and I know he is a GREAT GREAT pitcher but Volquez has been just a little better this year. Webb's ERA is about twice as high as Volquez's.
                But Volquez doesn't play for the Dbacks!!!
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                • #23
                  But Volquez isn't 7-0!!!
                  "I swing big, with everything I've got. I hit big or I miss big. I like to live as big as I can." - Babe Ruth

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by dbacksfan95 View Post
                    But Volquez isn't 7-0!!!
                    Wins don't mean everything.

                    23 of the last 50 Cy Young winners DIDN'T lead their league in wins.



                    Look, I think Webb is going to win it this year, but don't discount someone who IS pitching better just because they have less wins right now.
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                    • #25
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by OleMissCub View Post
                        I keep waiting for the bubble to burst on Volquez, but man, he is looking fantastic lately.

                        Only problem is......he's managed by Dusty Baker. So the MLB should prepare itself for the young death of another pitching phenom i.e. Mark Prior.
                        I'm starting to think that the way the entire team is playing is going to have an effect on Volquez and start a big let down.

                        Originally posted by BoofBonser26 View Post
                        Cliff Lee.

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                        Pitching Rules in Ohio.

                        I was just reviewing Volquez's games and he could be 6-0 if it wasn't for some rain in Pittsburgh and a dropped fly ball by Corey Patterson.
                        Last edited by redlegsfan21; 05-04-2008, 04:42 PM.
                        Unlike most other team sports, in which teams usually have an equivalent number of players on the field at any given time, in baseball the hitting team is at a numerical disadvantage, with a maximum of 5 players and 2 base coaches on the field at any time, compared to the fielding team's 9 players. For this reason, leaving the dugout to join a fight is generally considered acceptable in that it results in numerical equivalence on the field, and a fairer fight.

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                        • #27
                          Guys, why argue with Dbacks fan? He gave the criteria you have to use to determine your own vote at the end of his first post...

                          But, yeah, dude - Wins rule! Everybody knows they'd rather have Aaron Cook than Johan Santana...
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                          • #28
                            Wow, it's pretty amazing that Peavy still doesn't have any votes. I think that says how tough the competition is in the NL Cy Young race, and also tells you how highly people think of Webb.

                            I voted for Bedard & Haren...but it was really close between Haren/Peavy.
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                            • #29
                              Where's Ervin Santana in this poll? His WHIP is freaking amazing .878, 6-0, 38k's, 2.02 ERA.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by BaseballRookie View Post
                                Where's Ervin Santana in this poll? His WHIP is freaking amazing .878, 6-0, 38k's, 2.02 ERA.
                                He's a write-in. With so many options this early players do get forgotten. Making a poll this large is easy until you do one.

                                If the thread creator would like anyone added, just let me know.
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