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  • #76
    Zagi W-L aren't a good way to see who's better.
    ERA+ WHIP SO/BB SO/9IP are a better way to do it.
    Webb isn't even the best pitcher on his TEAM.
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    • #77
      How did Webb get 21 votes!?!?
      He's not even the best pitcher on his TEAM!!
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      • #78
        Originally posted by Solrac View Post
        How did Webb get 21 votes!?!?
        He's not even the best pitcher on his TEAM!!
        This poll is very old.
        Unlike most other team sports, in which teams usually have an equivalent number of players on the field at any given time, in baseball the hitting team is at a numerical disadvantage, with a maximum of 5 players and 2 base coaches on the field at any time, compared to the fielding team's 9 players. For this reason, leaving the dugout to join a fight is generally considered acceptable in that it results in numerical equivalence on the field, and a fairer fight.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by dbacksfan95 View Post
          no,airhead.some people just have a much too wide view. fans of zambrano for Cy Young,
          Zambrano 157 ERA+
          Webb 140 ERA+
          Santana 144 ERA+

          Guess who guess who...has the wider view

          And something tells me you're probably 12

          P.S. Webb isn't even the best pitcher on his TEAM.
          Haren 166 ERA+
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          • #80
            Originally posted by Solrac View Post
            Zambrano 157 ERA+
            Webb 140 ERA+
            Santana 144 ERA+

            Guess who guess who...has the wider view

            And something tells me you're probably 12

            P.S. Webb isn't even the best pitcher on his TEAM.
            Haren 166 ERA+
            What I found laughable was that he was literally laughing at people who thought Zambrano could be a candidate for Cy Young when three of the last four seasons he has finished in the Top 5 for Cy Young voting.
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            • #81
              tim lincecum

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Solrac View Post
                Zagi W-L aren't a good way to see who's better.
                ERA+ WHIP SO/BB SO/9IP are a better way to do it.
                Webb isn't even the best pitcher on his TEAM.
                Yes, I know. CYP shows who could be the Cy Winner this year...
                And for the Cy Winner Award - wins, ERA and SO are the most important.
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                • #83
                  CY Award Winner candidates:
                  Code:
                  CYP	Name	           W	L	ERA	IP	SO
                  2.98	Cliff Lee	13	2	2.29	133.2	110
                  3.29	Ervin Santana	11	3	3.34	129.1	122
                  3.32	Roy Halladay	11	7	2.94	150	125
                  3.35	Ju Duchscherer	10	6	1.87	115.2	70
                  3.39	Dai Matsuzaka	10	1	2.65	88.1	77
                  
                  2.94	Edinson Volquez	12	2	2.53	121	127
                  3.15	Tim Lincecum	10	3	2.8	131.2	139
                  3.21	Brandon Webb	13	4	3.11	139	116
                  3.30	Dan Haren	9	5	2.58	132.2	119
                  3.34	Ben Sheets	10	3	2.88	128	111
                  CYP=[30*(ERA+WHIP)+ 2*L - 10*W - IP - SO]/IP + 5

                  The lower CYP value is better...
                  so Cliff Lee and Edinson Volquez are the Cy Winner, right now.
                  Last edited by Zagi-CRO; 07-21-2008, 06:42 AM.
                  The Voice of Croatia - Glas Hrvatske

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                  • #84
                    Cy Winner Candidates

                    Code:
                    CYP                            W       L        ERA
                    7.44	Cliff Lee	Indians	14	2	2.29
                    6.59	Roy Halladay	Blue J	12	7	2.87
                    5.58	Ervin Santana	Angels	11	5	3.57
                    5.11	J Duchscherer	Athle	10	7	2.37
                    4.90	Dais Matsuzaka	Red Sox	11	1	2.63
                    4.80	Joe Saunders	Angels	13	5	3.1
                    4.69	Scott Kazmir	Rays	8	5	2.84
                    4.65	John Lackey	Angels	8	2	3.02
                    
                    6.28	Tim Lincecum	Giants	10	3	2.79
                    6.22	Brandon Webb	Dia	14	4	3.14
                    6.01	Dan Haren	Dia	10	5	2.56
                    5.90	CC Sabathia	Brewers	10	8	3.3
                    5.89	Edinson Volquez	Reds	12	3	2.81
                    5.60	Ben Sheets	Brewers	10	3	2.87
                    5.40	Cole Hamels	Phillie	9	6	3.27
                    5.28	Ryan Dempster	Cubs	11	4	2.99
                    Last edited by Zagi-CRO; 07-29-2008, 04:15 AM.
                    The Voice of Croatia - Glas Hrvatske

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                    • #85
                      If Lee can keep his numbers going he'll be a certainty. 14-2 on a team 13 games under .500? Thats very rare territory.
                      Id go for Haren in the NL so far, although its a clos call between him and lincecum IMO.

                      I expect Rivera may well end up in the top 5 voting again, he's having another great season as closer.

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                      • #86
                        We've moved on a couple months and now I would go with Lee and Haren.
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