Reds out of order

[metfan13]

Mets - Reds game today in the 9th.

The Reds first batter in the 9th (Ross) was out of order. It should have been Patterson batting. Ross flew out then Mets manager Randolph pointed it out to the umpire. The only one in the park who seemed to know what was going on was Mets announcer Gary Cohen.

He correctly said that Randolph should have said nothing and waited until Patterson batted, then if Patterson got a hit he would be called out. Randolph, Dusty Baker and all 4 umpires seemed confused.

Sure it rarely happens, but I didn't think the correct ruling is all that confusing or difficult. You say nothing unless an out of order batter gets on base, then protest and he's called out.

As it was the rulling was that Patterson was out for not batting and Ross got to hit in his normal spot. He then singled. Ended up not mattering as the Mets were well ahead.

[blacksilverfan12]

How do you forget the order in the major leagues?

[metfan13]

How do you forget the order in the major leagues?

Simply, there's no excuse. But...the Reds confused themselves due to a second double switch of the pitcher. Also, the camera caught the posted line-up car din the doughout and with the multiple pitchers in the 8th spot (due to the earlier double switch) it looked like Patterson's name was alongside the #7 spot.

They screwed up, but it wasn't a simple matter of one guy batting before the guy he batted after earlier in the game.

[Macker]

You say nothing unless an out of order batter gets on base, then protest and he's called out.

It depends where the other team is in the batting order. Since Ross got out anyway, Randolph could have kept quiet. However, the leadoff batter would then be up. Once a pitch is thrown to the batter who follows Ross (assuming it is the correct batter to follow Ross) the batting out of order is ignored & it is there is no option to get an out for BOOO.

By calling attention to Ross being out of order, you have one out and another batter before the top of the order comes up again.

[metfan13]

It depends where the other team is in the batting order. Since Ross got out anyway, Randolph could have kept quiet. However, the leadoff batter would then be up. Once a pitch is thrown to the batter who follows Ross (assuming it is the correct batter to follow Ross) the batting out of order is ignored & it is there is no option to get an out for BOOO.

By calling attention to Ross being out of order, you have one out and another batter before the top of the order comes up again.

No, I think Ross batted incorrectly in the 8th spot. Unless he went up again the next batter would be batting incorrectly in the 9th spot and so on. You don't just forget that spot. At some point the correct batter has to bat in the correct spot.

Any umps who could correct me if I'm wrong?

[Macker]

It's Rule 6.07(d.)

Ross should have batted 9th, but he batted 8th. Though he got out, Randolph called attention to the umps. So Patterson (the 8th hitter) was called out, and Ross then batted in the 9th spot.

Had Randolph said nothing, and the leadoff batter followed Ross, and one pitch was thrown to the leadoff batter, Ross's at bat would have been legalized. The person following Ross would now be the proper batter. Patterson would have simply been skipped, and he wouldn't bat until the 8th spot came around again.

The problem the Reds had is that had Randolph not said anything, Patterson probably would have batted in the 9th spot. Then Patterson would be batting out of order. It would have been smarter for Randolph to wait & see what Patterson did, because he could have nailed Patterson for BOOO if he had reached base.

Anyway, a team just can't sit on a BOOO situation and use it when they want. Once they pitch to the next batter, the BOOO is off as long as the guy batting is the guy who follows the BOOO player in the batting order (in this case, the guy after Ross, the leadoff hitter.)

[Pere]

...the Reds confused themselves due to a second double switch of the pitcher.

That durn ol' National League!

Think Dusty can get used to it?

[metfan13]

It's Rule 6.07(d.)

Ross should have batted 9th, but he batted 8th. Though he got out, Randolph called attention to the umps. So Patterson (the 8th hitter) was called out, and Ross then batted in the 9th spot.

Had Randolph said nothing, and the leadoff batter followed Ross, and one pitch was thrown to the leadoff batter, Ross's at bat would have been legalized. The person following Ross would now be the proper batter. Patterson would have simply been skipped, and he wouldn't bat until the 8th spot came around again.

The problem the Reds had is that had Randolph not said anything, Patterson probably would have batted in the 9th spot. Then Patterson would be batting out of order. It would have been smarter for Randolph to wait & see what Patterson did, because he could have nailed Patterson for BOOO if he had reached base.

Anyway, a team just can't sit on a BOOO situation and use it when they want. Once they pitch to the next batter, the BOOO is off as long as the guy batting is the guy who follows the BOOO player in the batting order (in this case, the guy after Ross, the leadoff hitter.)

Ok, thanks. I thought it was up to the Reds to have Ross bat again in the 9th spot. But apparently after one batter you've just skipped the spot.
But still as you said randolph should have waited to see who the Reds sent to the plate.

[NineWorldSeries]

It's all Dusty Baker's fault. Seriously. This is the fourth time this fool has been involved in such a gaffe!!!

From Lance McAlister's blog today [1530 AM Cincinnati]: (http://www.thelotd.com/lance/blog)

Dusty seems to have forgotten this one
MLB.COM
Dusty's team batted out of order in 2004
"Baker apparently didn't communicate a double-switch to home plate umpire C.B. Bucknor, and the Cubs were accused of batting out of turn. The mistake did not hurt as the Cubs rallied for a dramatic, 11-10 win over the Cincinnati Reds."


And he seems to have forgotten this one
Giants bat out of order in 1998 with Dusty managing


Dusty did it as a hitter in 1980
Retro Sheet
Dusty Baker then hit into a force out leaving runners on first and third but had batted out of turn. Green came out and pointed out the fact that the proper batter had not hit. Thus Ron Cey was called out, the runners restored to their previous bases and Baker batted again. This time he hit a three-run homer to left.