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  • Best SS in MLB

    I asked this question a couple years ago, but I will ask it again: Who do you all consider the best SS in the MLB currently?

    Contributing factors:
    Offensive numbers.
    Defensive numbers.
    Fundamentals.
    Key plays and/or hits.
    Team leadership.
    Also, consider the fact that which SS will take you to the playoffs.

    -Try to exclude your personal feelings or the players off-field role.
    -Think of the players whole career.

    I will throw in the top 7 in the poll and a write-in option.

    A-Rod is not an option.
    81
    Jose Reyes
    8.64%
    7
    Derek Jeter
    6.17%
    5
    Hanley Ramirez
    53.09%
    43
    Miguel Tejada
    4.94%
    4
    Jimmy Rollins
    12.35%
    10
    Michael Young
    3.70%
    3
    Edgar Renteria
    0.00%
    0
    Write-In
    11.11%
    9
    Last edited by Texas Rangers; 05-13-2008, 11:38 PM.
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  • #2
    Rafael Furcal

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/player...e?statsId=6404

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    • #3
      Hanley Ramirez by a mile.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Ballpark Modeler View Post
        Furcal is having a good season, but i would not place him as the best CURRENT SS in the MLB.. Tejada (looking behind the steroids talk) was my vote. Fielding % is way up there. Ramirez has it all but i don't know if he could lead the Marlins to the playoffs.
        Texas Ranger Baseball 2008.. :applaud:

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        • #5
          Han-Ram, apsolutely!!
          Then Furcal and Tejada.

          Stats till May/13th

          Code:
          MVB
          10.03	Rafael Furcal	Dodgers	0.366
          9.08	Hanley Ramirez	Marlins	0.325
          7.88	Miguel Tejada	Astros	0.338
          7.63	Jose Reyes	Mets	0.264
          7.26	Ryan Theriot	Cubs	0.331
          6.91	Cristian Guzman	Nationals	0.298
          6.77	Yunel Escobar	Braves	0.314
          6.64	Stephen Drew	Diamon	0.269
          6.62	Michael Young	Rangers	0.286
          6.46	Jeff Keppinger	Reds	0.324
          Last edited by Zagi-CRO; 05-14-2008, 06:37 AM.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Texas Rangers View Post
            Also, consider the fact that which SS will take you to the playoffs.
            Sorry, but that's a stupid requirement. This isn't football or basketball where 1 player can take their team to the playoffs all on their own. It's also May.


            To answer the question, Hanley Ramirez by far. Reyes has not been hitting well, Jeter is over-the-hill, Rollins is grossly overrated (the Phillies played better without him than with him), Furcal is having an excellent year but is on the DL and not as good as Hanley, Tejada is good but not the player he used to be.
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            • #7
              IMO the best shortstop in baseball today plays third base for the Yankees - A-Rod

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              • #8
                Furcal's fielding is only about an error below the league average right now. His OPS+ is a whopping 168. No other choice for me.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by NYMets523 View Post
                  Sorry, but that's a stupid requirement. This isn't football or basketball where 1 player can take their team to the playoffs all on their own. It's also May.
                  Ummm, ok? In basketball, perhaps. In Football? I'd wager football is even more of a team effort than baseball. When a batter goes to the plate it's just him. His teammates can't help him out at all. In football, with rotations and packages, 45-50 different players touch the field. If the line doesn't block the QB doesn't do crap. Which then it's like a stack of dominos. The QB can't do anything, the HB can't do anything, the WR's can't do anything. So much in football relies on the rest of the guys doing their job. One player on a football team isn't going to take anyone to the playoffs. Period.

                  Sorry about the tangent but it just boggled my mind when I read that.

                  Anyway, for several years I would have answered this question as Derek Jeter but I think Hanley Ramirez has planted himself firmly in this spot. What I do find funny here is that all those years where I said Jeter, people would sheep their way into the discussion "lolerz but he sucks at defense!" yet, here Hanley Ramirez sits pretty much like a Derek Jeter in his prime and everyone fawns over him. Because Han-Ram isn't exactly a good fielder either and Derek Jeter has several better offensive seasons on the books than Han-Ram. I guess being Yankee captain buys you some hate.
                  Last edited by cardsfanatic; 05-14-2008, 12:10 PM.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by cardsfanatic View Post
                    Ummm, ok? In basketball, perhaps. In Football? I'd wager football is even more of a team effort than baseball. When a batter goes to the plate it's just him. His teammates can't help him out at all. In football, with rotations and packages, 45-50 different players touch the field. If the line doesn't block the QB doesn't do crap. Which then it's like a stack of dominos. The QB can't do anything, the HB can't do anything, the WR's can't do anything. So much in football relies on the rest of the guys doing their job. One player on a football team isn't going to take anyone to the playoffs. Period.

                    Sorry about the tangent but it just boggled my mind when I read that.

                    Anyway, for several years I would have answered this question as Derek Jeter but I think Hanley Ramirez has planted himself firmly in this spot. What I do find funny here is that all those years where I said Jeter, people would sheep their way into the discussion "lolerz but he sucks at defense!" yet, here Hanley Ramirez sits pretty much like a Derek Jeter in his prime and everyone fawns over him. Because Han-Ram isn't exactly a good fielder either and Derek Jeter has several better offensive seasons on the books than Han-Ram. I guess being Yankee captain buys you some hate.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by cardsfanatic View Post
                      Ummm, ok? In basketball, perhaps. In Football? I'd wager football is even more of a team effort than baseball. When a batter goes to the plate it's just him. His teammates can't help him out at all. In football, with rotations and packages, 45-50 different players touch the field. If the line doesn't block the QB doesn't do crap. Which then it's like a stack of dominos. The QB can't do anything, the HB can't do anything, the WR's can't do anything. So much in football relies on the rest of the guys doing their job. One player on a football team isn't going to take anyone to the playoffs. Period.

                      Sorry about the tangent but it just boggled my mind when I read that.
                      I was referring to soccer.
                      "I'm happy for [Edwin Encarnacion] because this guy bleeds internally, big-time" -Dusty Baker

                      "If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it on the scoreboard?" -Jeff Francoeur

                      "At the end of the day, the sun comes up and I still have a job" -Joba Chamberlain

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                      • #12
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by cardsfanatic View Post

                          Anyway, for several years I would have answered this question as Derek Jeter but I think Hanley Ramirez has planted himself firmly in this spot. What I do find funny here is that all those years where I said Jeter, people would sheep their way into the discussion "lolerz but he sucks at defense!" yet, here Hanley Ramirez sits pretty much like a Derek Jeter in his prime and everyone fawns over him. Because Han-Ram isn't exactly a good fielder either and Derek Jeter has several better offensive seasons on the books than Han-Ram. I guess being Yankee captain buys you some hate.

                          Most of the discussions I saw which referenced defense were strictly in regards to his defense, not whether or not he was the best player in the league. Not saying there were not people who said Jeter could not be the best because of his glove, I just saw less of that. Lots of discussions of Jeter tend to digress into whether or not he is overrated, and whether or not he is overrated, or whether or not he is a good defensive player. I always considered Jeter to be a below average SS, but with Nomar getting hurt and having to move from the position and Arod going to third I saw Jeter as the best of the lot. It is perfectly logical to have criticized Jeter's defense and still vote for Hanley now. In 2006 I thought Jeter was the best SS in baseball, defense and all. Any argument I would have made about his defense would have been something separate. If you hit the way Jeter did at his best you don't need to be Ozzie Smith, though that would be nice.

                          Jeter certainly has a larger body of work than Hanley does, but for the last year and a half Hanley has clearly been better.

                          It will be interesting to see how the Hanley/Beckett trade is viewed in several years.

                          Hanley reminds me more of Nomar before his injuries than Jeter. A bit more of a free swinger, more power, and a better overall hitter. This year his plate discipline has improved quite a bit, which Nomar's never really did. Hanley's 2007 season would have fit right in with Nomar circa 98-00. Hopefully he will have better luck staying on the field.

                          Both Jeter and Nomar peaked relatively early, I will be curious to see how Hanley ages.

                          Do players who stay at short tend to peak early? I've always thought there might be something to that. Ripken did, although he came back at age 30 to have his best year. I've always thought it would make sense, with all the wear and tear. I have never looked into it, or read a study of it.

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                          • #14
                            For the past 20 years it has been li'll "O" hands down.

                            The best pair of hands to ever play the SS position. IMO<<<<


                            Off to a great start with the Giants this year and "Omar the Great" should have the hits record for SS's at seasons end.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Old Sweater View Post
                              For the past 20 years it has been li'll "O" hands down.

                              The best pair of hands to ever play the SS position. IMO<<<<


                              Off to a great start with the Giants this year and "Omar the Great" should have the hits record for SS's at seasons end.
                              If we were talking about the best pair of hands (defensive skills), Adam Everett would be in the discussion but there is this little thing about having to hit the ball he never learned.

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