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  • 4th Best of the New Generation?

    Round 1-3 Results:
    1.Johan Santana: 45% (14 Votes)

    -Jake Peavy: 19% (6 Votes)
    -Brandon Webb: 16% (5 Votes)
    -Roy Halladay: 10% (3 Votes)
    -Roy Oswalt: 6% (2 Votes)
    -Josh Beckett: 3% (1 Vote)
    2.Roy (Doc) Halladay: 37% (7 Votes)
    -Brandon Webb: 26% (5 Votes)
    -Josh Beckett: 16% (3 Votes)
    -Carols Zambrano: 16% (3 Votes)
    -Roy Oswalt: 5% (1 Vote)
    3.Brandon Webb: 42% (17 Votes)
    -Jake Peavy: 24% (10 Votes)
    -Roy Oswalt: 17% (7 Votes)
    -Josh Beckett: 7% (3 Votes)
    -Carlos Zambrano: 5% (2 votes)
    -Scott Kazmir: 2% (1 Vote)
    -Mark Buehrle: 2% (1 Vote)


    So here's the setup. The pitcher must be under the age of 32, and have at least 75 MLB starts. Poll is open 4 days

    Vote for your new top choice ...


    Code:
    Player            GS      IP    W    L    CG   SHO     K's    ERA+    WHIP   BI    GI
    Bedard, Erik      115     682   42   35    1   1       659    120     1.33    2    19
    Buehrle, Mark     240   1,665  108   78   23   7       966    122     1.26    7    78
    Beckett, Josh     171   1,048   80   54    4   2       993    116     1.22    4    41
    Haren, Danny      128     824   53   45    5   0       642    114     1.23    3    44
    Hernandez, Felix   80     516   32   27    4   2       462    112     1.30    0    21
    Grienke, Zack      77     499   24   36    3   0       353    105     1.33    0    14
    Kazmir, Scott      98     574   35   30    1   1       622    122     1.39    5    16
    Peavy, Jake       179   1,136   80   52    6   3     1,136    120     1.18   23    80
    Oswalt, Roy       216   1,455  115   57   12   4     1,203    139     1.21   14    94
    Sheets, Ben       196   1,269   77   74   14   2     1,080    114     1.19    6    52
    Sabathia, C.C.    226   1,444  101   68   16   5     1,179    113     1.28    9    78
    Zambrano, Carlos  187   1,240   85   56    7   2     1,077    132     1.28    5    91

    Bedard, Erik:
    2002-2007: Balitmore Orioles
    2008-: Seattle Mariners

    Buehrle, Mark:
    2000-: Chicago White Sox
    -No-Hitter in 2006
    -3 All-Star Appearances
    -2 Playoff Appearances
    -1 WS Ring

    Beckett, Josh:
    2001-2005: Florida Marlins
    2006-: Boston Red Sox
    -1 All-Star Appearance
    -2 Playoff Appearances
    -2 WS Rings
    -1 Cy Young Award

    Haren, Danny:
    2002-2003: St. Louis Cardinals
    2004-2007: Oakland Athletics
    2008-: Arizona Diamondbacks
    -1 All-Star Appearance
    -2 Playoff Appearances
    -1 WS Ring

    Hernandez, Felix:
    2005-:Seattle Mariners

    Grienke, Zack:
    2004-: Kansas City Royals

    Kazmir, Scott:
    2004-: Tampa Bay (Devil) Rays
    -1 All-Star Appearance

    Peavy, Jake:
    2002-: San Diego Padres
    -2 All-Star Appearances
    -2 Playoff Appearances
    -1 Cy Young Award

    Oswalt, Roy:
    2001-: Houston Astros
    -1 Inning of No-Hitter in 2003
    -3 All-Star Appearances
    -2 Playoff Appearances

    Sheets, Ben:
    2000-: Milwaukee Brewers
    -3 All-Star Appearances

    Sabathia, C.C.:
    2001-: Cleveland Indians
    -3 All-Star Appearances
    -2 Playoff Appearances

    Zambrano, Carlos:
    2001-: Chicago Cubs
    -2 All-Star Appearances
    -2 Playoff Appearances
    25
    Bedard, Erick
    0.00%
    0
    Buehrle, Mark
    0.00%
    0
    Beckett, Josh
    16.00%
    4
    Haren, Danny
    0.00%
    0
    Hernandez, Felix (King)
    0.00%
    0
    Grienke, Zack
    0.00%
    0
    Kazmir, Scott
    4.00%
    1
    Peavy, Jake
    44.00%
    11
    Oswalt, Roy
    20.00%
    5
    Sheets, Ben (Big)
    0.00%
    0
    Sabathia, C.C.
    0.00%
    0
    Zambrano, Carlos
    16.00%
    4
    Other
    0.00%
    0

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by The Dude; 05-20-2008, 06:03 PM.
    AL East Champions: 1981 1982
    AL Pennant: 1982
    NL Central Champions: 2011
    NL Wild Card: 2008

    "It was like coming this close to your dreams and then watching them brush past you like a stranger in a crowd. At the time you don't think much of it; you know, we just don't recognize the significant moments of our lives while they're happening. Back then I thought, 'Well, there'll be other days.' I didn't realize that that was the only day." - Moonlight Graham

  • #2
    my list:

    1.Peavy
    2.Zambrano
    3.Oswalt
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Zagi-CRO View Post
      my list:

      1.Peavy
      2.Zambrano
      3.Oswalt
      My list as well.
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      • #4
        Peavy, Oswalt, then a pretty substantial dropoff, most likely to Zambrano, though I haven't figured that out yet.

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        • #5
          I find Peavy's results interesting so far. 2nd in the First round balloting. 0 Votes in the 2nd Round, 2nd again in the 3rd round. He has the most vocal supporters so far, yet only has a 3 vote lead as of now...
          AL East Champions: 1981 1982
          AL Pennant: 1982
          NL Central Champions: 2011
          NL Wild Card: 2008

          "It was like coming this close to your dreams and then watching them brush past you like a stranger in a crowd. At the time you don't think much of it; you know, we just don't recognize the significant moments of our lives while they're happening. Back then I thought, 'Well, there'll be other days.' I didn't realize that that was the only day." - Moonlight Graham

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          • #6
            Peavy (with run support)
            Oswalt (but not this year)
            Sabathia (ditto Oswalt)

            Why no love for CC? He's a horse.
            Born to an age where horror has become commonplace, where tragedy has, by its monotonous repetition, become a parody of sorrow, we need to fence off a few parks where humans try to be fair, where skill has some hope of reward, [and] where absurdity has a harder time than usual getting a ticket." -- Thomas Boswell, 1984

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            • #7
              Not enough people are voting and the results are being skewed. Roy Oswalt is currently crafting a better career than either Roy Halladay or Carlos Zambrano. Webb and Peavy are a few years younger and have already peaked higher, but, looking at career numbers, a case could be made for Oswalt being number two on the list after Santana.
              Last edited by Otis Nixon's Bodyguard; 05-22-2008, 04:15 PM.

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              • #8
                Guess I'll drop another vote for Peavy. Eventually he'll win.
                Bleeding Cardinal Red since 1985
                In the stands for every home playoff game since then -- 2006 and 2011 were well worth the wait!

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                • #9
                  I'm still feeling my way though this thread. In selecting our choices, do we pay more attention to "stuff" or longevity? I understand that both would be the ideal. but if it comes down to a choice, which carries more weight?

                  I still think Oswalt is a good pick, though. He's having a bad year so far (I wonder if he's hurt?), but the IP are pretty decent, W-L is good, and so is the ERA. Peavy has a bit less experience. Is that the knock on him?
                  Born to an age where horror has become commonplace, where tragedy has, by its monotonous repetition, become a parody of sorrow, we need to fence off a few parks where humans try to be fair, where skill has some hope of reward, [and] where absurdity has a harder time than usual getting a ticket." -- Thomas Boswell, 1984

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by keystone View Post
                    I'm still feeling my way though this thread. In selecting our choices, do we pay more attention to "stuff" or longevity? I understand that both would be the ideal. but if it comes down to a choice, which carries more weight?
                    I had originally written something to the effect of what I Felt was most important, and then eventually in the writing of it, I basically said vote to whatever you feel is most important. Stuff, Longevity, Finesse, Gut instinct, etc, so I just left out any "voting guidelines" at all.

                    For example, Mark Buehrle is a good pitcher no doubt, but right now, I think that Danny Haren in general is better. He's a better pitcher right now, and 15 years from now when they're both retired, Haren will have been better than Buehrle.
                    AL East Champions: 1981 1982
                    AL Pennant: 1982
                    NL Central Champions: 2011
                    NL Wild Card: 2008

                    "It was like coming this close to your dreams and then watching them brush past you like a stranger in a crowd. At the time you don't think much of it; you know, we just don't recognize the significant moments of our lives while they're happening. Back then I thought, 'Well, there'll be other days.' I didn't realize that that was the only day." - Moonlight Graham

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