4th Best of the New Generation?

[The Dude]

Round 1-3 Results:
1.Johan Santana: 45% (14 Votes)
-Jake Peavy: 19% (6 Votes)
-Brandon Webb: 16% (5 Votes)
-Roy Halladay: 10% (3 Votes)
-Roy Oswalt: 6% (2 Votes)
-Josh Beckett: 3% (1 Vote)
2.Roy (Doc) Halladay: 37% (7 Votes)
-Brandon Webb: 26% (5 Votes)
-Josh Beckett: 16% (3 Votes)
-Carols Zambrano: 16% (3 Votes)
-Roy Oswalt: 5% (1 Vote)
3.Brandon Webb: 42% (17 Votes)
-Jake Peavy: 24% (10 Votes)
-Roy Oswalt: 17% (7 Votes)
-Josh Beckett: 7% (3 Votes)
-Carlos Zambrano: 5% (2 votes)
-Scott Kazmir: 2% (1 Vote)
-Mark Buehrle: 2% (1 Vote)


So here's the setup. The pitcher must be under the age of 32, and have at least 75 MLB starts. Poll is open 4 days

Vote for your new top choice ...

Player            GS      IP    W    L    CG   SHO     K's    ERA+    WHIP   BI    GI
Bedard, Erik      115     682   42   35    1   1       659    120     1.33    2    19
Buehrle, Mark     [b]240   1,665[/B]  108   [B]78   23   7[/b]       966    122     1.26    7    78
Beckett, Josh     171   1,048   80   54    4   2       993    116     1.22    4    41
Haren, Danny      128     824   53   45    5   0       642    114     1.23    3    44
Hernandez, Felix   80     516   32   27    4   2       462    112     1.30    0    21
Grienke, Zack      77     499   24   36    3   0       353    105     1.33    0    14
Kazmir, Scott      98     574   35   30    1   1       622    122     1.39    5    16
Peavy, Jake       179   1,136   80   52    6   3     1,136    120     [B]1.18   23[/B]    80
Oswalt, Roy       216   1,455  [B]115[/B]   57   12   4     [b]1,203    139[/B]     1.21   14    [b]94[/b]
Sheets, Ben       196   1,269   77   74   14   2     1,080    114     1.19    6    52
Sabathia, C.C.    226   1,444  101   68   16   5     1,179    113     1.28    9    78
Zambrano, Carlos  187   1,240   85   56    7   2     1,077    132     1.28    5    91

Bedard, Erik:
2002-2007: Balitmore Orioles
2008-: Seattle Mariners

Buehrle, Mark:
2000-: Chicago White Sox
-No-Hitter in 2006
-3 All-Star Appearances
-2 Playoff Appearances
-1 WS Ring

Beckett, Josh:
2001-2005: Florida Marlins
2006-: Boston Red Sox
-1 All-Star Appearance
-2 Playoff Appearances
-2 WS Rings
-1 Cy Young Award

Haren, Danny:
2002-2003: St. Louis Cardinals
2004-2007: Oakland Athletics
2008-: Arizona Diamondbacks
-1 All-Star Appearance
-2 Playoff Appearances
-1 WS Ring

Hernandez, Felix:
2005-:Seattle Mariners

Grienke, Zack:
2004-: Kansas City Royals

Kazmir, Scott:
2004-: Tampa Bay (Devil) Rays
-1 All-Star Appearance

Peavy, Jake:
2002-: San Diego Padres
-2 All-Star Appearances
-2 Playoff Appearances
-1 Cy Young Award

Oswalt, Roy:
2001-: Houston Astros
-1 Inning of No-Hitter in 2003
-3 All-Star Appearances
-2 Playoff Appearances

Sheets, Ben:
2000-: Milwaukee Brewers
-3 All-Star Appearances

Sabathia, C.C.:
2001-: Cleveland Indians
-3 All-Star Appearances
-2 Playoff Appearances

Zambrano, Carlos:
2001-: Chicago Cubs
-2 All-Star Appearances
-2 Playoff Appearances

[Zagi-CRO]

my list:

1.Peavy
2.Zambrano
3.Oswalt

[OleMissCub]

my list:

1.Peavy
2.Zambrano
3.Oswalt

My list as well.

[Erik Bedard]

Peavy, Oswalt, then a pretty substantial dropoff, most likely to Zambrano, though I haven't figured that out yet.

[The Dude]

I find Peavy's results interesting so far. 2nd in the First round balloting. 0 Votes in the 2nd Round, 2nd again in the 3rd round. He has the most vocal supporters so far, yet only has a 3 vote lead as of now...

[keystone]

Peavy (with run support)
Oswalt (but not this year)
Sabathia (ditto Oswalt)

Why no love for CC? He's a horse.

[Otis Nixon's Bodyguard]

Not enough people are voting and the results are being skewed. Roy Oswalt is currently crafting a better career than either Roy Halladay or Carlos Zambrano. Webb and Peavy are a few years younger and have already peaked higher, but, looking at career numbers, a case could be made for Oswalt being number two on the list after Santana.

[cardsfanatic]

Guess I'll drop another vote for Peavy. Eventually he'll win.

[keystone]

I'm still feeling my way though this thread. In selecting our choices, do we pay more attention to "stuff" or longevity? I understand that both would be the ideal. but if it comes down to a choice, which carries more weight?

I still think Oswalt is a good pick, though. He's having a bad year so far (I wonder if he's hurt?), but the IP are pretty decent, W-L is good, and so is the ERA. Peavy has a bit less experience. Is that the knock on him?

[The Dude]

I'm still feeling my way though this thread. In selecting our choices, do we pay more attention to "stuff" or longevity? I understand that both would be the ideal. but if it comes down to a choice, which carries more weight?

I had originally written something to the effect of what I Felt was most important, and then eventually in the writing of it, I basically said vote to whatever you feel is most important. Stuff, Longevity, Finesse, Gut instinct, etc, so I just left out any "voting guidelines" at all.

For example, Mark Buehrle is a good pitcher no doubt, but right now, I think that Danny Haren in general is better. He's a better pitcher right now, and 15 years from now when they're both retired, Haren will have been better than Buehrle.