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    so the Yankees are losing 9-0...and Derek Jeter is up and just like Jeter always does he lunges at a pitch that ends up hitting him in the hand. The ball was nearly a strike. So the Yankees freak out and LaTroy Hawkins is ordered to retaliate so he throws two pitches at an Oriole player's head.

    yeah, real classy


    is Giardi just a thug or something? I was one of the people who was scared of Giardi going to the Yanks after what he did with the Marlins....I thought when surrounded by talent he would dominate...not so I guess
    "Batting stats and pitching stats do not indicate the quality of play, merely which part of that struggle is dominant at the moment."

    -Bill James

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    Originally posted by sturg1dj View Post
    so the Yankees are losing 9-0
    Thanks to an error by Jeter.

    Originally posted by sturg1dj View Post
    ...and Derek Jeter is up and just like Jeter always does he lunges at a pitch that ends up hitting him in the hand.
    Just the name of this topic alone suggests that you were going to say something [biased]. Yeah, Jeter may have leaned in but that ball was way inside and just because he "always lunges at a pitch" doesn't mean that that ball should've hit him. Don't take shots at a guy because he was leaning in a little and ended up getting hit with a high and way inside fastball from a pitcher that is known to be wild and/or a hot head. Remember when he got suspended for what? Beaning someone. Just because the O's were up 9-0 doesn't mean pitchers can't hit people intentionally. He may or may not have done it on purpose, but don't go taking shots at Jeter for getting hit.


    Originally posted by sturg1dj View Post
    The ball was nearly a strike.
    What were you watching? Nearly a strike? Look at how high and inside the fastball was.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200805202738347

    Nearly a strike? Wow. If you were an umpire, I would love to pitch with you behind home plate.

    Originally posted by sturg1dj View Post
    So the Yankees freak out
    Uhh, actually no they didn't. I didn't see anyone "freak out" except for Girardi and the trainer because one of their best players just got pegged with a fastball on his hand. Apparently your defintion of "freak out" is very much different than mine.

    Originally posted by sturg1dj View Post
    and LaTroy Hawkins is ordered to retaliate so he throws two pitches at an Oriole player's head.
    First of all, how do you know he was ordered to "retaliate"? I'm pretty sure that last year, Joe Torre didn't order Joba Chamberlain to retaliate by throwing the two fastballs over Youkilis' gigantic head. You don't know if Girardi ordered those pitches or not. If he did, okay it was a mistake, but there is a very large possibility that LaTroy did it to prove he could protect his buddies.

    Originally posted by sturg1dj View Post
    yeah, real classy
    You know what else is real classy? How about Jim Leyland selling out his own team in the beginning of the season because of their putrid play.

    Originally posted by sturg1dj View Post
    is Giardi just a thug or something?
    Yes, that's exactly what he is. In a sport filled with people like Pedro Martinez, Daniel Cabrera and Milton Bradley, Joe Girardi is a thug. And something to keep in mind...if you're going to criticize someone, at least learn to spell their name right.

    Originally posted by stur1dj View Post
    I was one of the people who was scared of Giardi going to the Yanks after what he did with the Marlins
    He won Manager of the Year in 2006. The only reason he was fired was because the owner of the Marlins, Jeffrey Loria, became angry when Girardi told him to "shut the (expletive) up" when heckling a home plate umpire. Would you have rather put Donnie Baseball in as manager, even though he has zero experience, with the exception of filling in sometimes for Torre when he was either suspended or absent? I think Girardi is a good fit because he and the veterans were good friends in the '90s, and not to mention his MotY Award, Hell, he even caught Rivera for a while. Obviously, it would've been great to keep Torre, but it wasn't what Big Stein wanted.

    Originally posted by stur1dj View Post
    ....I thought when surrounded by talent he would dominate...not so I guess
    Yes, well the same was though about Leyland in the offseason, but as we have noticed the Detroit Tigers are 18-27 and in last place in the AL Central, which is one of the easiest divisions in baseball.

    Don't make comments like saying the manager of the Yankees is a thug, and sarcastically saying they are the classiest team in baseball.
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    • #3
      1. This isn't Tigers vs. Yankees.....I'll admit it the Tigers suck right now

      2. The classiest team comes from earlier discussions on just how and why the Yankees are considered that way when there is much evidence that goes against it.

      3. You don't think Torre told Joba to throw at him? just like with LaTroy, Joba said what he was supposed to that he didn't mean to and nobody told him to. This saves him from a longer suspension and stops the manager from being suspended

      4. ok, ok...so it wasn't almost a strike, but hopefully you can admit that Jeter gets hit a lot like that since he does lunge over the plate....which is why he is so good at going opposite field


      the point of this whole post is that retaliation was not necessary since much of the evidence showed that the beaning was not intentional.
      1. score was 9-0
      2. Jeter lunges, making it more likely for him to get beaned
      3. score was 9-0

      yet, an oriole got thrown at, at the head no less.
      "Batting stats and pitching stats do not indicate the quality of play, merely which part of that struggle is dominant at the moment."

      -Bill James

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      • #4
        The Yankees will be fine as long as A-Rod stays healthy - he homered for the second night in a row after coming off the DL.

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        • #5
          How do you know it was retaliation? I have seen several balls this year that nearly hit batters in the head and when I say several, I mean quite a lot. As a pitcher, you don't want that batter to crowd the plate so a pitch is going inside every once in a while and sometimes it goes a little high.
          Unlike most other team sports, in which teams usually have an equivalent number of players on the field at any given time, in baseball the hitting team is at a numerical disadvantage, with a maximum of 5 players and 2 base coaches on the field at any time, compared to the fielding team's 9 players. For this reason, leaving the dugout to join a fight is generally considered acceptable in that it results in numerical equivalence on the field, and a fairer fight.

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          • #6
            Jeter is a baby- a drama queen. I thought Girardi was going to kiss his hand right there on the spot. Rub some dirt on it and carry on man!
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Zito75 View Post
              Jeter is a baby- a drama queen. I thought Girardi was going to kiss his hand right there on the spot. Rub some dirt on it and carry on man!

              Sounds like your not really being objective. Looks like you have a problem with players that have the NY on their pinstripe uniform. Same old, story it's always bigger when the pinstripes are involved, so obvious.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by sturg1dj View Post
                1. This isn't Tigers vs. Yankees.....I'll admit it the Tigers suck right now

                2. The classiest team comes from earlier discussions on just how and why the Yankees are considered that way when there is much evidence that goes against it.

                3. You don't think Torre told Joba to throw at him? just like with LaTroy, Joba said what he was supposed to that he didn't mean to and nobody told him to. This saves him from a longer suspension and stops the manager from being suspended

                4. ok, ok...so it wasn't almost a strike, but hopefully you can admit that Jeter gets hit a lot like that since he does lunge over the plate....which is why he is so good at going opposite field


                the point of this whole post is that retaliation was not necessary since much of the evidence showed that the beaning was not intentional.
                1. score was 9-0
                2. Jeter lunges, making it more likely for him to get beaned
                3. score was 9-0

                yet, an oriole got thrown at, at the head no less.
                1. ok

                2. I think the general concensus was that no team was classier than any other. Starting up threads because you have a dislike of a particular teams is obnoxious.

                3. No. Most pitchers say that to avoid a suspension anyway, and you have no proof that either manager called it from the bench. None. You just have it out for the Yanks, I guess, and lose any sense of objectivity or rationality on the issue.

                4. Thank you.

                5. This entire thread is ridiculous. There was already a four or five page thread on this very issue a few months ago. If you don't like the Yankees, fine; most people don't. Just don't make your posts so biased and cynical.

                Originally posted by Zito75 View Post
                Jeter is a baby- a drama queen.

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                • #9
                  Look, I really dislike Jeter. I think he's way overcelebrated by the media and Yankees fans. I think he gets more credit than he deserves and his smugness just rubs me the wrong way...

                  But in that instance, he did not mean to be hit by that pitch. No one wants one off the wrist, hand, or elbow. That stuff HURTS.

                  Looks to me like Jeter was fooled on the pitch (he starts moving his hands forward as if he's going to swing) and got caught. Certainly doesn't look like he was just trying to get a base.
                  Swing and a drive! This one is deep! This one is... over the fence and into the neighbor's yard!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Stumanji View Post
                    Look, I really dislike Jeter. I think he's way overcelebrated by the media and Yankees fans. I think he gets more credit than he deserves and his smugness just rubs me the wrong way...

                    But in that instance, he did not mean to be hit by that pitch. No one wants one off the wrist, hand, or elbow. That stuff HURTS.

                    Looks to me like Jeter was fooled on the pitch (he starts moving his hands forward as if he's going to swing) and got caught. Certainly doesn't look like he was just trying to get a base.
                    What are you looking at. Always hustles runs out every ground ball like it's the last out, never showboats, works with kids, didn't shoot off his mouth when the Yanks had that run in the late 1990s, never makes excuses when the Yanks don't make it..........................???? Yet he is gets the boos in all parks.

                    So because he plays in the big media city, because some Yankee fans think he's better than he is.................well I just won't like him, that makes sense.

                    Lets be honest, not the player some Yankee fans think he is but better than some other will give him credit for. There are two sides to the story, where is the smugness.

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                    • #11
                      Guys get hit by pitches, even stars like Jeter. Sometime sits their fault, sometimes its the pitcher's fault, and sometimes its nobody's fault. Other than it being the iconic Jeter there was nothing special about him getting hit or the way he got hit.

                      On the other hand Hawkins deliberately threw at the guy twice. And the second time was a clear head shot. Maybe he was trying to stand up for a teammate or just get some bonus points with the fans, but he crossed the line.

                      It has nothing to do with a team being "classy" or not. When you think you need to retaliate you have to limit your attempts to one and you don't go for the head.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by sturg1dj View Post
                        so the Yankees are losing 9-0...and Derek Jeter is up and just like Jeter always does he lunges at a pitch that ends up hitting him in the hand. The ball was nearly a strike. So the Yankees freak out and LaTroy Hawkins is ordered to retaliate so he throws two pitches at an Oriole player's head.

                        yeah, real classy


                        is Giardi just a thug or something? I was one of the people who was scared of Giardi going to the Yanks after what he did with the Marlins....I thought when surrounded by talent he would dominate...not so I guess
                        I have no problems with "If you hit my guy, I'm going to hit your guy" approach. This was a problem when Torre was @ the helm. And the Red Sox were great purveyors of hitting Yankees...Jeter mostly, then never seeing Papi or Manny brushed back had always irked me.




                        Originally posted by Stumanji View Post
                        Look, I really dislike Jeter. I think he's way overcelebrated by the media and Yankees fans. I think he gets more credit than he deserves and his smugness just rubs me the wrong way...
                        I take offense to this. I'm one of the Yankee fans in the minority here where I think the same as you do. IMO, Derek Jeter is Barry Larkin in a Yankees Uniform @ the right time.
                        "After my fourth season I asked for $43,000 and General Manager Ed Barrow told me, 'Young man, do you realize Lou Gehrig, a 16-year-man, is playing for only $44,000?' I said, Mr. Barrow, there is only one answer to that - Mr. Gehrig is terribly underpaid."- Yankees outfielder Joe DiMaggio

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TonyStarks View Post
                          I have no problems with "If you hit my guy, I'm going to hit your guy" approach. This was a problem when Torre was @ the helm. And the Red Sox were great purveyors of hitting Yankees...Jeter mostly, then never seeing Papi or Manny brushed back had always irked me.






                          I take offense to this. I'm one of the Yankee fans in the minority here where I think the same as you do. IMO, Derek Jeter is Barry Larkin in a Yankees Uniform @ the right time.
                          May I ask, what part do you agree with that regarding the othr poster poster, that Jeter is smug, I don't see that at all.

                          Or maybe even though a Yankee fan you think at times he's made out to be better than he is. Well, I'm a Yankee fan and I agree, "some" Yankee fans make him out to be more than he really is. On the other hand is it not foolish for "some" who are not Yankee fans to portray him less than he really is.

                          Sounds foolish to me. Since some overrate him I'll underrate him and that will even things up..............thats insane. There are other players on other teams who are chosen over others by home town fans, doesn't only happen in NY it's just more publicized. A couple of years ago ask the Atlanta fans who the best CF is and you get Jones, ask a Card fan and it's Edmonds.

                          He may not be the greatest but he's a very good ballplayer.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SHOELESSJOE3 View Post
                            Always hustles runs out every ground ball like it's the last out
                            Maybe 10 years ago, but not anymore. I've seen him only give it about 70% quite a few times over the last couple of years.

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                            • #15
                              Jeter is overrated in allot of ways and he does get to much attention from the media. But allot of people because of this now underestimate him, he should have won 2 MVPs and his rage isn't good at all and his defence has gone way down but he also not the worst. Calling him a drama queen is way off, here is a player who always plays through injury, never bitches in the press or in the clubhouse, always runs out balls. Some of his "captain" "attributes" are totally overblown, but he is a good hardworking player. There is some real A-holes, cry babies and drama queens in the MLB but Jeter isn't one of them. It's just hateing the player because the team he is on.

                              Now I am even sick of the Yankees classy, historic, corprate, better then you, george propoaganda. But there is just allot of Yankee haterd, and trying to find anything to get on them about. Now I know it's not like this on here, because there is allot a true intellegent real baseball fans on here but it's fashionable to hate the Yankees now like it was to like them in the late 90's. I know that there are plenty of people who have never liked the Yanks, but it's a bandwagon thing now to hate the Yankees. I am not saying oh poor Yankees or anything like that, but I am only saying what is fair there is just alot of hateing the Yankees becaause they are the Yankees and I let it go sometimes, and sometimes there is a point but I got to stick up for them sometimes.
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