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    Seattle is without a doubt the most incompetent team in MLB. To have a team this bad with a 117 million dollar payroll is hard to do. How does Bill Bavasi continue to find employment is beyond me. Did nothing with the Angels, and will have 4 last place finishes in 5 years with the Mariners. Idiot CEO Lincoln, idiot president Armstrong. In 16 years of ownership Yamauchi san has never attended a game. They are lucky they are tucked away in the Pacific northwest. The national media is too focused on the non issue with the Mets and Randolph. Many former M's thrive once they leave Seattle. Also Seattle is where free agents fall off the cliff. Carl Everett, Jeff Weaver, Rich Aurillia, Wilkerson, Sexson. Batista, Washburn, Silva. Bavasi cannot be allowed to inflict any more damage.

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    The Orioles already own that title and haven't done a thing to relinguish it.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Brian McKenna View Post
      The Orioles already own that title and haven't done a thing to relinguish it.
      The Orioles put down the shovel and started crawling out of the hole the day Andy MacPhail came on board.
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      • #4
        The Orioles are definitely the worst organization as of this moment. However, the Erik Bedard trade gives them a slight reading on the "we know what we're doing" scale. The Mariners are currently the most incompetent, not neccesarily the worst.

        mrak, I'd hardly blame Yamauchi for being unable to attend a Mariners game. He's 80 years old. He had to step down from the presidency of Nintendo in 2002 because of his health. Why should he fly across the Pacific to attend a Mariners game?

        What does Lincoln have to do with incompetent baseball people? He's not a baseball person. He seems to me to be a figurehead CEO. That would be like me blaming Liberty Media for the Braves' inability to win games on the road.
        46 wins to match last year's total

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        • #5
          What's about the Yankees?
          IMO, the Padres is the biggest looser now.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Zagi-CRO View Post
            What's about the Yankees?
            IMO, the Padres is the biggest looser now.
            Well, we're talking about a general trend here, Zagi. The Padres have been pretty successful despite their chronic offensive problems. Even though they haven't won more than 90 games in a decade, in the last four years, they've won two division titles in the very weak NL West. They must be doing something right.
            46 wins to match last year's total

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            • #7
              Originally posted by mrakbaseball View Post
              Seattle is without a doubt the most incompetent team in MLB. To have a team this bad with a 117 million dollar payroll is hard to do. How does Bill Bavasi continue to find employment is beyond me. Did nothing with the Angels, and will have 4 last place finishes in 5 years with the Mariners. Idiot CEO Lincoln, idiot president Armstrong. In 16 years of ownership Yamauchi san has never attended a game. They are lucky they are tucked away in the Pacific northwest. The national media is too focused on the non issue with the Mets and Randolph. Many former M's thrive once they leave Seattle. Also Seattle is where free agents fall off the cliff. Carl Everett, Jeff Weaver, Rich Aurillia, Wilkerson, Sexson. Batista, Washburn, Silva. Bavasi cannot be allowed to inflict any more damage.
              For some of those guys steroid testing might be a much bigger factor. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

              I mean, I think Bavasi is awful and he is. But he can hardly be blamed because people came to his ballpark without the strength to homer there anymore.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post
                The Orioles are definitely the worst organization as of this moment. However, the Erik Bedard trade gives them a slight reading on the "we know what we're doing" scale. The Mariners are currently the most incompetent, not neccesarily the worst.
                Sam:
                A year ago, I'd have agreed with you. However, since the hiring of Andy MacPhail, the Orioles have:
                Turned Steve Trachsel, Miguel Tejada and Erik Bedard into a 13-player haul, including their current starting LF, CF, and two ML relievers.
                Begun participation in a Dominican Academy.
                Are close to resolving their spring training site dilemma.
                Have increased their international scouting department.
                Hired Dave Trembley as manager. (Even though the team is at .500, they play the game right. I think DT was the best managerial hire of 2007.)
                Hired Rick Kranitz as pitching coach, and Allan Dunn as bullpen coach. (Kranitz has turned around Daniel Cabrera, in a big way. Dunn has already paid dividends, as well.)
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                • #9
                  bigtime, you're dead on. Except it was 12 guys out of Trax, Bedard, and Tejada (2 for Trax, 5 each for the other two). And you forgot The Savior of the Baltimore Orioles, Matt Wieters.

                  The M's have got to be close. They overestimated their flukish 2007 season in predicting their 2008 prospects, spent the farm for Bedard, and now look where they are. Johjima was a bad signing, as he can't call a game for his life, Beltre's 2004 was a huge anomaly, Washburn's '05 and '02 were out of line with the rest of his career, and don't even get me started on Jeff Weaver. Five good games should not give him that kind of contract. But their biggest mistake, IMO, was giving Ichiro that monstrous contract. He's just not a guy you can build a franchise around.

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                  • #10
                    I think the O's show signs of turning things around.
                    However, Angelos could step in next week and hose everything up again. Just like he's done for years.
                    If they get through a season without that, I'll take them off the bottom of my list.
                    "I throw him four wide ones, then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on pitching to Musial

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                    • #11
                      so does this mean the Pirates have been good lately? if the Orioles are worse than they are.

                      I guess if you count the Browns years then historically they are the worst...but then again the Phillies would be the worst...right?
                      "Batting stats and pitching stats do not indicate the quality of play, merely which part of that struggle is dominant at the moment."

                      -Bill James

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                      • #12
                        I think the Orioles are the worst but Texas is right there and San Diego is catching up fast.

                        Question: Why on earth would San Diego sign a declining Jim Edmonds for a that ballpark? First off, his range is diminshed so its hard for him to cover ground. Second, he probably couldn't hit 10 homers all year and all of them would be opposite field.

                        Why didn't Kevin Towers get Tony Gwynn Jr. from the Brewers in the Scott Linebrink trade last year? Seems like a perfect fit.

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                        • #13
                          I'd have to go with the Texas Rangers. One playoff win in 47 seasons. They have been at best a mediocre organization, fielding some very bad teams. An organization responsible for some of the great blunders in recent history (David Clyde, the A-Rod contract etc.) And they have the distinction of having two of the worst owners in history, Bob Short and Tom Hicks.
                          I've tried 'em all, I really have, and the only church that truly feeds the soul, day in, day out, is the Church of Baseball.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Erik Bedard View Post
                            bigtime, you're dead on. Except it was 12 guys out of Trax, Bedard, and Tejada (2 for Trax, 5 each for the other two). And you forgot The Savior of the Baltimore Orioles, Matt Wieters.
                            No...it wound up being three, although it's listed as a two-player deal on the Cubs transactions page at MLB.com. For whatever reason, Jake Renshaw came to the Orioles as a PTBNL in that deal, and right now is tearing it up in Fredrick (6-2 record, and an ERA around 3.25).
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RubeWaddell19 View Post
                              I'd have to go with the Texas Rangers. One playoff win in 47 seasons. They have been at best a mediocre organization, fielding some very bad teams. An organization responsible for some of the great blunders in recent history (David Clyde, the A-Rod contract etc.) And they have the distinction of having two of the worst owners in history, Bob Short and Tom Hicks.
                              Don't forget the Chris Young/Adrian Gonzalez trade for Akinori Osuka and Adam Eaton. AG is probably the best power hitter in the NL when you adjust for home park. Its an absolute graveyard for lefthanded hitters in Petco yet he's doing awesome!

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