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  • johncap
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    Originally posted by hiddengem
    Amphetamines make you feel like its april when its actually August. That sore arm isn't sore anymore. That heavy bat is suddenly light again, those heavy legs feel fresh again, ect ect.
    And the juice turns you into the hulk. No comparison.

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  • hiddengem
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    Originally posted by ESPNFan
    Just curious, how much of that fatigue and wear and tear comes from the actual travel and not being able to eat what you want/healthy or distractions poor/ not enough sleep etc.. And how much of it is the physical activity itself?

    In the Big Leagues you get treated pretty darn good. You get first class meals after the game, 5 star hotels, and private plane rides the night before. But you've got guys that are 30-40 yrs old that have been grinding this career out for many many years. You could go out on a Monday night game, dive for a ball and tweak your shoulder, then on tuesday get hit with a 90mph fastball in the shin and on Wednesday play a night game with a day game on Thursday morning.

    Fan's/mgt could care less as to how much your body hurts or how much rest you've had. All they do is expect you to perform day in and day out, and if you don't they boo you.

    In the Minor leagues its even worse. Average food, decent hotels, terrible travel and not much money to keep up on a decent diet. On top of the same physical strain on your body that the big leaguers have.

    Its a Dog eat Dog world, not some fairytale that most people think of when they hear you play baseball for a living. But then again, I wouldn't give up my job for very many things, because I love the game.

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  • ESPNFan
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    Originally posted by hiddengem
    I think its been said about 20 times on this thread..but I'll say it again. For those of you that have never played a 162 game schedule with games up to 25-30 straight days in a row in 8 different cities. You can't imagine what that does to your body. Amphetamines make you feel like its april when its actually August. That sore arm isn't sore anymore. That heavy bat is suddenly light again, those heavy legs feel fresh again, ect ect.

    That is what they do for you.
    Just curious, how much of that fatigue and wear and tear comes from the actual travel and not being able to eat what you want/healthy or distractions poor/ not enough sleep etc.. And how much of it is the physical activity itself?

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  • hiddengem
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    Originally posted by ESPNFan
    But if players have been takign them for decades then there has to be some reason even if it is just a jolt before a game or something more. Thats what people here are trying to quantify.

    I think its been said about 20 times on this thread..but I'll say it again. For those of you that have never played a 162 game schedule with games up to 25-30 straight days in a row in 8 different cities. You can't imagine what that does to your body. Amphetamines make you feel like its april when its actually August. That sore arm isn't sore anymore. That heavy bat is suddenly light again, those heavy legs feel fresh again, ect ect.

    That is what they do for you.

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  • ESPNFan
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    Originally posted by hiddengem
    I don't really know what to say. I just know that I see people take them when they are dog tired, and it makes them feel like gold. I do know that players get dependant on them. I played with a guy a few years back that took up to 4 greenies a day. This guy played balls to the wall every single day, and I think the amphetamines played a large role in that.
    I'm not asking you for an explanation because there is no easy explanation behind them. What you tell us actually helps us understand why they might work. But can you see the point that I'm trying to make? It's much harder to understand from a scientific point of veiw exactly how they help. But if players have been takign them for decades then there has to be some reason even if it is just a jolt before a game or something more. Thats what people here are trying to quantify.

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  • hiddengem
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    Originally posted by ESPNFan
    My problem is not with a baseball estimate. Its the general lack of facts behind the statements. How can you make an estimate that the majority of athletes, not ball players, are on speed and not have some type of proof to back the statement . You can't just come out and say that one of every two professional athletes take them and leave it like that. And he's wrong that thier taken for "physical" sports, their taken for energy or endurance. Heck any sport could be "physical". Do pro Bowlers pop speed? And once again they don't "work" for everyone. Some for some people it may make them feel anxious, naucious tired ot just plain sick. It's irresponcible and incorrect. Also we have never gotten an explination as to how he knows pitchers have thrown faster or how he even knows their on greenies.

    I have read about the amphetamines stories of putting them in the coffe pots and having one with amphetimines and another marked "decafe" that wasn't so much decaf as it was unspiked.

    My problem with ampetamines is that their benifits or percived benifits don't mesh with the science behind them. With Steroids you can clearly see how they work and what they do for an athlete. How can something that rasies your heart rate, resperation and blood pressure and can effect your motor skills be helpful? Not to mention the long term side effects and the fact that you build tollerance to them. But your legitimate first hand accounts say otherwise. Why is that? I think that its because the stimuli comes from the brain/central nervous system and it that can directly influence the players perception and the feeling of elation or euphoria that some users describe can give a psychological boost to a players performance. Thats the best reason I can come up with. Also don't count out the dependance factor either. some peopel are taking them for so long that much like any addiction they become dependant on them and naturally at that point will perform better with them then without them.
    I don't really know what to say. I just know that I see people take them when they are dog tired, and it makes them feel like gold. I do know that players get dependant on them, I played with a guy a few years back that took up to 4 greenies a day. This guy played balls to the wall every single day, and I think the amphetamines played a large role in that.

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  • ESPNFan
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    Originally posted by hiddengem
    Nobody really knows forsure the exact % of athletes that use. But I'd be willing to bet that at any given time during the dog days that 50% of the players on a field have taken one before the game...In the big leagues that is. Its not uncommon to have a pot of coffee with beans (greenies) already in it and the players just go pour themselves a cup. Just that simple.
    My problem is not with a baseball estimate. Its the general lack of facts behind the statements. How can you make an estimate that the majority of athletes, not ball players, are on speed and not have some type of proof to back the statement . You can't just come out and say that one of every two professional athletes take them and leave it like that. And he's wrong that thier taken for "physical" sports, their taken for energy or endurance. Heck any sport could be "physical". Do pro Bowlers pop speed? And once again they don't "work" for everyone. Some for some people it may make them feel anxious, naucious tired ot just plain sick. It's irresponcible and incorrect. Also we have never gotten an explination as to how he knows pitchers have thrown faster or how he even knows their on greenies.

    I have read about the amphetamines stories of putting them in the coffe pots and having one with amphetimines and another marked "decafe" that wasn't so much decaf as it was unspiked.

    My problem with ampetamines is that their benifits or percived benifits don't mesh with the science behind them. With Steroids you can clearly see how they work and what they do for an athlete. How can something that rasies your heart rate, resperation and blood pressure and can effect your motor skills be helpful? Not to mention the long term side effects and the fact that you build tollerance to them. But your legitimate first hand accounts say otherwise. Why is that? I think that its because the stimuli comes from the brain/central nervous system and it that can directly influence the players perception and the feeling of elation or euphoria that some users describe can give a psychological boost to a players performance. Thats the best reason I can come up with. Also don't count out the dependance factor either. some peopel are taking them for so long that much like any addiction they become dependant on them and naturally at that point will perform better with them then without them.

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  • hiddengem
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    Originally posted by west coast orange and black
    hg, thanx for being particularly forthcoming.

    try this one: players who used greenies at a time when steroids were not widely available.

    do you suppose that your *average major leaguer* supposes that if available back then, those who took greenies would reach for the steroid bowl instead?
    sure, I would think so.

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  • west coast orange and black
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    hg, thanx for being particularly forthcoming.

    try this one: players who used greenies at a time when steroids were not widely available.

    do you suppose that your *average major leaguer* supposes that if available back then, those who took greenies would reach for the steroid bowl instead?

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  • west coast orange and black
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    care to expound? ask a question?

    no...

    decent.

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  • Sultan_1895-1948
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    And the benefits in general are nowhere near steroids, period.

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  • hiddengem
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    Originally posted by ESPNFan
    It always works? I'm not an expert but I know BS when I see it. None of these Drugs work for everyone the same(results wise).

    Its been used by the majority of athletes for years? Where is your research that notates an over 50% of athletes in all of sports are on amphetamines?
    Uninformed BLanket Statements don't help anyone figure out what is going on.
    Nobody really knows forsure the exact % of athletes that use. But I'd be willing to bet that at any given time during the dog days that 50% of the players on a field have taken one before the game...In the big leagues that is. Its not uncommon to have a pot of coffee with beans (greenies) already in it and the players just go pour themselves a cup. Just that simple.

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  • hiddengem
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    Originally posted by west coast orange and black
    ^^ care to expound? wanna ask a question?
    no, I just find it interesting how many people around here say this and that about how dangereous this stuff is and here you say what I've already known, that people that do this the right way have very little issues if any.

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  • ESPNFan
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    Originally posted by CrimeInTheCards
    I agree, But it should be pretty obvious that greenies enhance athletic performance, only an apologist would be blind to this fact. It's been used by the majority of athletes for years, and it always works, especially in physical sports. I mean if baseball players are saying greenies have had a huge impact on baseball, what more proof do you really need ?
    It always works? I'm not an expert but I know BS when I see it. None of these Drugs work for everyone the same(results wise).

    Its been used by the majority of athletes for years? Where is your research that notates an over 50% of athletes in all of sports are on amphetamines?
    Uninformed BLanket Statements don't help anyone figure out what is going on.

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  • west coast orange and black
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    ^^ care to expound? wanna ask a question?

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