Originally posted by hiddengem
Mike Schmidt - Cheater ?
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Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948Increased heart rate, adrenaline, and pushing himself harder than he normally would with no regard for what injury might occur? Just a guess.
HG, you never really answered my question. I understand that from spring training on, players are rarely if ever at 100%. I meant 100% in terms of the "norm" that you would expect. If a normal player takes care of himself, is rested, strong, and focused, how far above "100%" do you think it would take him. Don't you think the true benefits come when you really need the pick me up, and it really can just take you back up to the norm? Just tryin' to get your perspective, your opinion is always appreciated.
If one of my teamates takes a greenie before that game and I don't, he's going to have an edge over me, because I'll be dragging like a big dog and he'll feel like a million bucks.
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Originally posted by johncapGee, did he hit 95 two weeks later, and 96 a week after that? Is this a scientific experiment? Billy Wagner hit 100 a number of times last year, but on many occasions couldn't get over 96 or 97. Maybe it was his biorhythms. Point is reaching a momentary peek is still not sustainable enhanced performance. Which is exactly what steroids provide.
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Originally posted by johncapGee, did he hit 95 two weeks later, and 96 a week after that? Is this a scientific experiment? Billy Wagner hit 100 a number of times last year, but on many occasions couldn't get over 96 or 97. Maybe it was his biorhythms. Point is reaching a momentary peek is still not sustainable enhanced performance. Which is exactly what steroids provide.
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Originally posted by hiddengemOk, I give up. There is a reason why our union fought so hard to have a lesser policy against greenies than roids."I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
Carl Yastrzemski
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Originally posted by hiddengemBecause far more players rely on them than roids."I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
Carl Yastrzemski
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Originally posted by hiddengemOk, I give up. There is a reason why our union fought so hard to have a lesser policy against greenies than roids.
It was not greenies that turned Barry into the size of the Hindenburg.
I don't think most would disagree wth your point, greenies can give one a boost, steroids can add muscle and strength.
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Originally posted by SHOELESSJOE3I don't think most would disagree wth your point, greenies can give one a boost, steroids can add muscle and strength.
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Originally posted by runningshoes53If you had to guess, what percentage of players use them?
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Originally posted by hiddengemThe same guy humped up many times in his career and hit 91. Why was that nights "hump" any different?
Well I "heard" it straight from Mike's mouth. He said nothing about being afraid of it. He simply said if he thought his competition was gaining an edge over him because of them, he would have considered them. He didn't think they were, so he didn't seek them out.
I agree with your post about a pitcher increasing the velocity of his fastball while using greenies - I knew a guy who went from 86mph-89mph because of greenies.
As a hockey player myself, They enable me to perform better, and longer, without them I don't produce nearly as much as I do when taking them. Anybody who isnt an apologist should know the impact greenies has on an athletes performance, pure and simple.
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Originally posted by SHOELESSJOE3Are you trying to get across the point that they fought so hard because they did not want to be put in a position where they might be in trouble if they did use them.They wanted to hang on to their greenies, is that your point.
I don't think most would disagree wth your point, greenies can give one a boost, steroids can add muscle and strength.
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Originally posted by SHOELESSJOE3I don't doubt that more would use greenies, simply because they fear the health hazards of steroids more. Makes sense to me. Both can do harm but lets face the facts, steroids are scarrier to most.
I've spoke to Dr.s that say a Cycle of steroids at the prescribed dosage is like lubing your car once a year.
Greenies give you instant feeback, while Roids are taken over a period of 3-8 weeks depending on your cycle. Roids are a process where Greenies are not.
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Originally posted by CrimeInTheCardsI agree with your post about a pitcher increasing the velocity of his fastball while using greenies - I knew a guy who went from 86mph-89mph because of greenies.
As a hockey player myself, They enable me to perform better, and longer, without them I don't produce nearly as much as I do when taking them. Anybody who isnt an apologist should know the impact greenies has on an athletes performance, pure and simple.
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