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  • #31
    Then you would be a murderer.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by trosmok
      1. Tony Gwynn
      2. Ichiro
      3. Zach Duke (testing in the minors has been more strict)
      Unless you are on the 40 man roster and then your subject to MLB testing.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by west coast orange and black
        boof, if you want palmeiro on the list, then i will oblige.
        there is no "would be", only "is".
        No, no, not at all. I was just pointing out that if we did this list a year ago, he'd be there.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by BoofBonser26
          Nope. Because about a year ago, Palmeiro would be on this list.
          Exactly. This list should remain blank because we can't be sure about anyone. Who would have thought Palmeiro? Who would have thought Palmeiro could point his finger to congress, look them in the eye and lie right to their faces. If that can happen, then nobody is above reproach, no matter what size he his, what style of game he plays, how many autographs he signs, or how many charities he donates to.

          We have to remember that these guys see this as their job; their livelihood. If securing more money and fame means taking a substance that most everyone else is already taking, and there's no legit testing policy in place for it, why wouldn't someone take it. Health risks could be the only reason, and even then, they're overhyped, especially when you seek out and adhere to proper advice. We can't expect morals to overcome the desire to gain fame, respect, and money. We can be proud and admire those who don't fall prey, but on the surface, nobody can be assumed fully innocent imo. Think about it. I'm a huge Pujols fan, but I wouldn't be my life on him being completely clean throughout his career. No way.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948
            I'm a huge Pujols fan, but I wouldn't be my life on him being completely clean throughout his career. No way.
            I wouldn't even bet my life on his listed age
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            • #36
              Originally posted by RuthMayBond
              I wouldn't even bet my life on his listed age
              When did that rumor start? I had never heard his age questioned until just recently on this web site.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948
                When did that rumor start? I had never heard his age questioned until just recently on this web site.
                Exactly. It's ludicrous.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948
                  Exactly. This list should remain blank because we can't be sure about anyone. Who would have thought Palmeiro?
                  I thought Palmeiro was doing steroids since about 2000-2001 somewhere in that area. From some internet discussions I've had over the years I would say there were quite a few people who were not surprised that Palmeiro tested positive.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Ubiquitous
                    I thought Palmeiro was doing steroids since about 2000-2001 somewhere in that area. From some internet discussions I've had over the years I would say there were quite a few people who were not surprised that Palmeiro tested positive.
                    He had a good guy image and didn't choose to bulk up the way some users do. Other than him being boyhood pals with Canseco, what lead you to suspect Palmeiro all the way back in 2000?

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                    • #40
                      The fact that he never had a decline, that he kept going and going. Here was a player that through his youth was not a power hitter, then around 93-94 he starts hitting homers out and keeps on doing forever. Coming up through the Cubs farm system they didn't think that he was going to be a slugger they chose Grace over him in part because they thought Grace had a better chance of developing his power then Palmeiro. Then around 2002 he becomes a spokesmen for Viagra and that about clinched it for me

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948
                        He had a good guy image and didn't choose to bulk up the way some users do. Other than him being boyhood pals with Canseco, what lead you to suspect Palmeiro all the way back in 2000?
                        Palmiero was a childhood friend of Canseco? I never heard that. Both were born in Cuba in the same year, so it's certainly possible, but I'd not heard it.

                        A lot has been made that in their first year as teammates with the Rangers, Raffy went from a career high of 26 HR to hitting 35 or more in 9 of the next 10 seasons.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948
                          When did that rumor start? I had never heard his age questioned until just recently on this web site.
                          I remember hearing it after 9/11, when all those other player ages were coming out as incorrect because the government was cracking down on work visas.

                          Since the government never found a problem with his records, it's probably safe to say his age what he states it is, though.
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                          • #43
                            boof: I was just pointing out that if we did this list a year ago, he'd be there.

                            oh, ok. gotcha. my mistake.
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Mike D.
                              I remember hearing it after 9/11, when all those other player ages were coming out as incorrect because the government was cracking down on work visas.

                              Since the government never found a problem with his records, it's probably safe to say his age what he states it is, though.
                              I don't think its possible for the government to find a problem with his age in the way that they find a problem with all of those latin players ages after 9-11. That was a weird sentence.

                              Anyway all those latin players who got busted for fake ages were found out because they had to apply for visas to get into the country. Pujols I believe did not suffer this problem because he came to this country to live at a young age. Even attended high school here.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Mike D.
                                Palmiero was a childhood friend of Canseco? I never heard that. Both were born in Cuba in the same year, so it's certainly possible, but I'd not heard it.

                                A lot has been made that in their first year as teammates with the Rangers, Raffy went from a career high of 26 HR to hitting 35 or more in 9 of the next 10 seasons.
                                A few years back when MLB had that HR derby contest at Cashman Field in Arizona, Canseco and Palmeiro were both participants and it was mentioned a few times. They went back quite a ways.

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