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  • Who (if any) will be voted into the hall?

    In light of current events (i.e., the book on Bonds), who will be voted into the hall? Sosa etc. are added as a means of comparison.

    And yes, I realise that this could be seen as being in the wrong forum (HoF talk)--However, I have it here (Current Events) as it relates to the issues in the media today.
    131
    Barry Bonds
    32.82%
    43
    Mark McGwire
    24.43%
    32
    Rafael Palmeiro
    12.98%
    17
    Sammy Sosa
    21.37%
    28
    None
    8.40%
    11
    Me, at a Boston restaurant, to a waiter:
    Are you sure the Manny Ramirez (name of burger) isn't a sloppy joe?

  • #2
    My vote is to none:

    Bonds: I am holding out hope that the investigation into Bonds will be done well, and lead to more substantiated allegations of use

    McGwire: Practically admitted to using steroids

    Palmeiro: Was on the edge before he tested positive, then said "I have never...", and blamed Tejada, followed by a massive slump

    Sosa: Corked bat, huge decrease (40 to 14, XXL to S)
    Me, at a Boston restaurant, to a waiter:
    Are you sure the Manny Ramirez (name of burger) isn't a sloppy joe?

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    • #3
      I can only say who I hope won't be elected and that would be all four of them.

      I believe there will be an in-depth investigation into Bonds and not only by MLB.

      My guess is Selig is trying to figure out how to go about it right now with Bonds chasing 715.
      "I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
      Carl Yastrzemski

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      • #4
        I have a feeling that Palmeiro might -- might -- get kept out of the Hall because he actually tested positive, and because he's the only one who never hit 60. I can't see any of the others being kept out of the Hall no matter what... even if Barry invites a camera crew into the Giants locker room this April to watch him shoot up steroids. The numbers are too impressive.
        "Simply put, the passion, interest and tradition surrounding baseball in New York is unmatched."

        Sean McAdam, ESPN.com

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ElHalo
          I have a feeling that Palmeiro might -- might -- get kept out of the Hall because he actually tested positive, and because he's the only one who never hit 60. I can't see any of the others being kept out of the Hall no matter what... even if Barry invites a camera crew into the Giants locker room this April to watch him shoot up steroids. The numbers are too impressive.
          My thoughts EXACTLY. Palmeiro was the only one who was considered borderline a few years ago. The other three's numbers far exceed borderline- they are locks. Palmeiro may not get in, especially if some voters feel that he was not Hall-worthy until three years ago, when he may have started using 'roids.


          Mark

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          • #6
            It's still too early to tell, and I think many of the writers will go into a holding pattern next year with McGwire as they wait to learn more about him.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DoubleX
              It's still too early to tell, and I think many of the writers will go into a holding pattern next year with McGwire as they wait to learn more about him.
              And perhaps go into a desert the sinking ship mode when they learn more about Bonds.
              "I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
              Carl Yastrzemski

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              • #8
                because i expect that nothing more will be learned of bonds, and because the writers will not wish to be seen as hypocrites, i fully expect bonds to enter the hall in his first year of eligibility.

                mcgwire goes in, as does sosa.
                "you don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. just get people to stop reading them." -ray bradbury

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by west coast orange and black
                  because i expect that nothing more will be learned of bonds, and because the writers will not wish to be seen as hypocrites, i fully expect bonds to enter the hall in his first year of eligibility.

                  mcgwire goes in, as does sosa.
                  You've seen a poll of all the writers?

                  So it's pretty much a done deal then?

                  And why do you expect nothing more to be learned about him..the book is now closed on him?
                  "I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
                  Carl Yastrzemski

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                  • #10
                    "expect" is simply an expectation, not anything assured.

                    the reasons that i expect that nothing more will be learned about bonds:
                    the two sf chronicle reporters each spent 2+ years on the story, very few unturned stones, i believe, still exist;
                    congress will not call bonds on the carpet and have him raise his right hand;
                    selig's office will "review" only, not file a formal investigation;
                    the feds, for the most part, are done with it. there is the possibility of the irs stepping back into it, though.
                    "you don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. just get people to stop reading them." -ray bradbury

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                    • #11
                      Palmeiro's career was far superior to Sosa's, though Sosa had much the better peak. Sosa gets everyone's nod due to his number of appearances on ESPN highlights.

                      To me, Bonds had an HoF career before the juice, but you hate to reward the guy. I don't know what I would do as a voter.

                      As for McGwire, Sosa, and Palmeiro they are all a product of the juice so they can buy a ticket.
                      Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball

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                      • #12
                        I think they will all go except for Palmeiro.

                        Personally, I would only vote for Bonds.
                        THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT COME WITH A SCORECARD

                        In the avy: AZ - Doe or Die

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by digglahhh
                          I think they will all go except for Palmeiro.

                          Personally, I would only vote for Bonds.
                          I'll echo that sentiment. I don't like Bonds but I would vote ONLY for him because he's the only one I believe who was Hall worthy BEFORE they started using steroids. The Hall is full of crooks, clowns, drunks, abusers, etc. It's part of the history. The one caveat to Bonds getting into the HOF would be that, after a 3rd party investigation, his HOF plaque MUST state that there's a VERY VERY VERY strong possibility that he used steroids.

                          I wonder what Bonds would do if he was told that his plaque would read that "there was a strong possibility that he used steroids" and then he was given the choice of being inducted with that plaque or keeping his name out of the Hall. I wonder what he's do.
                          ?

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                          • #14
                            Grab a can of Krylon and scrawl the indiscretions of the other inductees on their plaques?
                            THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT COME WITH A SCORECARD

                            In the avy: AZ - Doe or Die

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by digglahhh
                              I think they will all go except for Palmeiro.

                              Personally, I would only vote for Bonds.
                              Same here. Had steroids never existed, only Bonds would be a household name. The others needed the drugs to become viable candidates.

                              People defend Palmeiro frequently with: "Well, you don't know how long he was using or how much it helped him". Well, somehow I doubt he started in 2005, at the age of 40, and why should we care exactly when he started? I take everything his incredible totals with a grain of salt now. I also never considered the 1998 HR records legit, either. Those country making a circus following those two professional wrestlers around. The whole thing was a phony charade to begin with.

                              Good work, Mr. Selig. You refused to make yourself a whore to the allmighty dollar, you were intrepid and always faithful, and you kept the integrity of the game intact. Your legacy is firmly in place.

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