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  • #46
    I have always thought Pujols was older than his stated age. I'm beginning to think otherwise; if he's older, he's one, maybe two years older, at the very most.

    It is uncommon for a player to break into the majors at the level of performance of Pujols' rookie year. It is not uncommon at all, however, for a player who is playing at the level of the inner circle of the HOF to break in at age 21 as Pujols did, so he may well be as old as his stated age. Pujols is clearly one of the greatest players ever to play the game, at least in terms of peak value, and that's what one would expect from a player who's among the greatest that ever played. Pujols projects out to be one of the top 25 players ever to play the game, and his current record is not out of line with that at all.
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    • #47
      I think he is his official age. It would have surely come out by now, officially, that he is older than he is. Nothing like that stays hidden for long in American society.
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      • #48
        I sure hope he is the age everyone thinks he is . I was counting on him to beat Barry Bond's record cleanly.
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        • #49
          I'm cynical about things like this. If a guy's too good to be true, statistically, he probably is, especially in an era like ours.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Gregory Pratt View Post
            I'm cynical about things like this. If a guy's too good to be true, statistically, he probably is, especially in an era like ours.
            I don't know how he is "too good to be true." In fact, despite all of the steroid use, outside of Bonds, not a single person in the steroid era has come close to approaching the season by season OPS+ numbers that Cobb, Hornsby, Gehrig, Ruth, Mantle and Willimas did. What Albert is doing - about 170 OPS+ a season is on par with what you would expect from the top hitters of an era - certainly not out of line from the OPS+'s of Thomas, Mays, Aaron, etc. So, which stats are being put up that are "too good to be true?" The Great Hitters put up 170 OPS+ season all- the time. Its not like Albert is putting up 220 OPS+ seasons.

            Unless you believe that older players were innately better, and nobody could ever dare to challenge the old greats as hitters, than it stands to reason that there would be a few guys in every era which put up great numbers. Albert is one of those guys.
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            • #51
              Originally posted by STLCards2 View Post
              I don't know how he is "too good to be true." In fact, despite all of the steroid use, outside of Bonds, not a single person in the steroid era has come close to approaching the season by season OPS+ numbers that Cobb, Hornsby, Gehrig, Ruth, Mantle and Willimas did. What Albert is doing - about 170 OPS+ a season is on par with what you would expext from the top hitters of an era - certainly not out of line from the OPS+'s of Thomas, Mays, Aaron, etc. So, which stats are being put up that are "too good to be true?" The Great Hitters put up 170 OPS+ season all- the time. Its not like Albert is putting up 220 OPS+ seasons.

              Unless you believe that older players were inately better, and nobody could ever dare to challenge the old greats as hitters, than it stands to reason that there would be a few guys in every era which put up great numbers. Albert is one of those guys.
              to play Devil's Advocate I would like to point out looking at similarity scores the player Pujols is most similar to is Joe DiMaggio.

              prior to the steroid era beginning (the steroid era when defined by the media, not by when players started using which was much earlier) no player even approached numbers this high.

              These players include Frank Thomas who I am not saying used steroids, but am pointing out is part of that era.
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              • #52
                Originally posted by sturg1dj View Post
                to play Devil's Advocate I would like to point out looking at similarity scores the player Pujols is most similar to is Joe DiMaggio.

                prior to the steroid era beginning (the steroid era when defined by the media, not by when players started using which was much earlier) no player even approached numbers this high.

                These players include Frank Thomas who I am not saying used steroids, but am pointing out is part of that era.
                What about Manlte?

                Frank Thomas had better OPS+ numbers than Pujols - until about his 8t-9th full season. Bonds put up 200+ OPS seasons in the early 90's too.

                I think it has been proven that OPS+ is a little harder to keep high in low-offensive eras. So a 170 now might be like a 160 in the '60s - early 80's. Many guys, from mays to Aaron, Allen to Schmidt were well in that range during their primes.
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                • #53
                  Bump for Sultan! Check out post #30.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
                    Bump for Sultan! Check out post #30.
                    #31 is good, too.
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                    • #55
                      Let's just say he's an old 33.
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                      3. Ty Cobb
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                      • #56
                        he could very well be older but the biggest issue is that he can barely run because he is hurt. and this is probably not getting better if he keeps playing through it. right now he has Zero value for his Team that is replacement Level.
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                        • #57
                          Bump for more discussion.
                          Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                          • #58
                            Bump for the recent Pujols age discussion.
                            Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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