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    In one of a short series of articles not pertaining to Barry you-know-who (who happens to be mentioned anyway) , we're here to discuss older players and their impact on baseball. Also included is one late 40-something named Julio Franco.

    Over the hill gang

    Super generation of players set for one more shot at greatness

    When newly-signed Julio Franco showed up for spring training in February, no one in Mets camp was happier to see him than Tom Glavine. Soon to be 40 at the time, Glavine was no longer the oldest player on the team. More than seven years younger than Franco, in fact, it wasn't even close.

    "We all want to know what his secret is," Glavine said that day. "But you know, who's to say what old is anymore? A lot of guys are playing longer than they ever thought they would, myself included. Age doesn't mean what it used to in baseball."

    Indeed, Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson and Barry Bonds are seemingly redefining the notion of age limitations, but they are only a few of the graybeards in baseball these days who remain vital to their teams' hopes of winning as a new season begins.

    As such, it seems that the definition of "old age" has changed more than perhaps anyone could have imagined in the days before personal trainers, year-round conditioning regimens, nutritional enlightenment, and arthroscopic surgery, to name a few of the more important factors in extending careers over the last couple of decades.

    Steroids may or may not be a factor as well, in allowing at least some players to play longer and more productively into their late 30s and beyond. The cloud of suspicion hanging over Bonds has created a certain skepticism about older players performing at a high level, but it's not as if there haven't been players over the years who have defied age barriers.

    After all, Nolan Ryan won 71 games after turning 40, and pitched until he was 46. Stan Musial hit .330 at the age of 41. Warren Spahn went 23-7 with a 2.60 ERA at age 42. Ted Williams hit .316 with 29 home runs at age 42. Ty Cobb hit .353 at age 40.
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    Depends on the position for SP 40 is average retiring age 43 max most position players 37-38 40 max for Bullpen is longest 45 max
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Rickey_Henderson
      Depends on the position for SP 40 is average retiring age 43 max most position players 37-38 40 max for Bullpen is longest 45 max

      Unless your a knuckleballer. I think Tim Wakefield could pitch well into his mid 40's or beyond.
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      • #4
        Go as long as you can...withgout being a DH, did I mention I abhor the DH?

        If Franco can be a PH and play the field, good for him

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ESPNFan
          Unless your a knuckleballer. I think Tim Wakefield could pitch well into his mid 40's or beyond.
          of course their are always exceptions
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          • #6
            As long as you can play effectively, more power to ya.
            46 wins to match last year's total

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            • #7
              Play until you are too old to "cut the mustard".
              Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball

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              • #8
                If you manage to stay healthy through out your career you can keep going. The main factor is really being unhealthy or uneffective anymore which would make you too old. But if they can play then allow them to keep playing. Although when you hit 50 your most likley to be too old because no one has had a good history after that age.
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                • #9
                  I say play until they tell ya you can't plan anymore, or you're embarrassing yourself. As long as you're better than the guy who would replace you, the job is yours.

                  I think this era is actually skewing the way we look at "old" players...I often see posts about guys who are 38 and people are saying "with 2 or 3 more solid seasons...". That's still a highly unlikely proposition...I don't have numbers, but I'd imagine an awful lot more guys are done at 36 than at 40, even today.
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                  • #10
                    The definiton of a "Veteran" http://www.baseball-almanac.com/play...hp?p=paigesa01
                    Good and very ol' Satchel Paige,retired at 59 years young.The poor guy had to bat once during his last season.esh.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan
                      As long as you can play effectively, more power to ya.
                      Would that include ex-Brave, Julio Franco?
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                      • #12
                        11,128,567,894,790,827,890,302,038,940,879 is a good age to retire.
                        Rest in Peace Jose Fernandez (1992-2016)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by HankAaron86
                          11,128,567,894,790,827,890,302,038,940,879 is a good age to retire.
                          Hey, by his next birthday, he can pitch for the Yankees.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mattingly
                            Would that include ex-Brave, Julio Franco?
                            Say what you will, he can still produce at this level.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Yankees Rule 04
                              Say what you will, he can still produce at this level.
                              I wasn't getting on his case. More of a "wink-wink" thing to show that Franco was included in the article.
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