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    I'm figuring that this is done mostly against southpaws, since their back is turned to 3B. However, it is a gutsy move. How many times has a guy singled or walk, 2 outs, steals 2B, then steals 3B on the very next pitch? *EVERYBODY IN THE HOUSE* wonders aloud, "Why doesn't he just steal home while he's at it?"

    I'm guessing that this lack of expectation of this actually happening may also be shared with the player, especially if two outs. What explans the hesitation? Too much risk? Low percentage chance of success?

    As many Brooklyn Dodger and NY Yankee fans may recount from the 1955 WS, the phrase "Was he safe or was he out?" was about Jackie Robinson's theft of home against Yogi Berra, while Yogi to this day contends Jackie was out. Many Brooklyn Dodger fans would feel otherwise.

    I saw this nice article, so I figured I'd share.


    Associated Press
    Besides being the first black player in the majors, Jackie Robinson was renowned for
    stealing home. He did so 19 times, including this one against the Boston Braves in 1948.


    The Thieves Turn Timid
    PHOENIX — Milton Bradley was about to steal home.

    He took his lead, walking slowly and casually, adding a few paces to give himself a head start. He stood upright and tried to be inconspicuous. Then he set his feet shoulder-width apart, dropped into a crouch and dug the soles of his shoes hard into the ground. He was inconspicuous no longer.

    He inched onto the balls of his feet and started to bounce, as if revving an internal engine. With every bounce, his eyes seemed to grow wider. Finally, when the timing was just right, he bowed his head, turned his body and churned his legs toward ...

    A laundry basket?

    Bradley was performing baseball's most dramatic exercise — not on a field, but inside the Oakland Athletics' spring training clubhouse. He was stealing home in slow motion, a major leaguer acting out his Little League fantasy with virtually no one around.

    "I've always wanted to do it out there," said Bradley, an outfielder for the A's, motioning beyond the clubhouse walls to the field where his team played an exhibition game in mid-March. "But if you don't make it, you're the biggest idiot in the stadium."

    For all the reasons baseball players rarely steal home anymore — pitchers working more often out of the stretch, hitters more capable of driving in runs, managers aiming for big innings — the fear of looking like an idiot ranks near the top of the list.

    Baseball has become a game of cold-blooded calculation, with statistics for every occasion, and the notion that a human being could outrun a ball traveling 90 miles an hour is difficult to believe. It defies the logic that rules the sport.

    But that did not stop Jackie Robinson, Rod Carew and Pete Reiser from trying, and often transcending common sense. Those three former stars, more than any others, turned stealing home into the most exciting play in baseball. Now it is a relic, gone the way of flannel uniforms and scheduled doubleheaders.

    "I miss it," Carew said in a telephone interview. "Since they went to the long ball, guys forgot about that part of the game. They don't know what they're missing. To win a game by stealing home, you can't describe it. You can't describe the feeling."
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    I've never seen it done, nor seen footage. How does it happen? How does the runner beat the throw home? Is it all about timing, or is there a lot of luck involved? I, too, wish they'd steal home more often.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Mattingly
      I'm figuring that this is done mostly against southpaws, since their back is turned to 3B. However, it is a gutsy move. How many times has a guy singled or walk, 2 outs, steals 2B, then steals 3B on the very next pitch? *EVERYBODY IN THE HOUSE* wonders aloud, "Why doesn't he just steal home while he's at it?"

      I'm guessing that this lack of expectation of this actually happening may also be shared with the player, especially if two outs. What explans the hesitation? Too much risk? Low percentage chance of success?

      As many Brooklyn Dodger and NY Yankee fans may recount from the 1955 WS, the phrase "Was he safe or was he out?" was about Jackie Robinson's theft of home against Yogi Berra, while Yogi to this day contends Jackie was out. Many Brooklyn Dodger fans would feel otherwise.

      I saw this nice article, so I figured I'd share.


      Associated Press
      Besides being the first black player in the majors, Jackie Robinson was renowned for
      stealing home. He did so 19 times, including this one against the Boston Braves in 1948.


      The Thieves Turn Timid
      I did see that story today in the NY Times, Matt.

      It is so true. Fans today do not know what excitement they are missing by not having this element of the game included, more often than not, as WE did back in the 50's. You cannot imagine what it was like always sitting on the edge of your seat every time OUR Jackie got on base. When he got to third, the excitement reached pitch level...and he rarely disappointed US. Truly a different, but a better time in baseball.

      ....and, oh yes, OUR JACKIE was SAFE!!!!!

      c.

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      • #4
        Jackie was a little bit before my time, but I remember Carew stealing home a few times. The single biggest aspect of it seemed to be getting an incredible lead and take-off without the pitcher realizing what you were doing. It also would depend on you having a right handed batter in the box so that the catcher may not realize you made the break for home, as alot of times it seems the ball either got to home the same time as the runner, or a little earlier. In those cases, your sliding skill came into play as well. Definately one of the all-time exciting plays in baseball though. Another of my favorite players to steal home a few times was Paul Molitor, I don't think alot of people realized that he has done so 10 times in his career.
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        • #5
          I'd love to see this come back to baseball. But the reason teams don't try it much is because of the squeeze play, and with 2 outs , it is more likely the hitter will get a base hit, than a runner successfully stealing home.
          Simply... TAKING BACK THE EAST IN 2007

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mattingly
            I'm figuring that this is done mostly against southpaws, since their back is turned to 3B.
            I remember Vince Coleman taking advantage of lefty Sid Fernandez once as Sid took a little mental vacation on the mound.

            I also recall Tommie Agee doing this a couple of times with the Mets.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DODGER DEB
              ....and, oh yes, OUR JACKIE was SAFE!!!!!

              c.

              He was out, so out...not even funny

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              • #8
                Steals of Home

                1 Ty Cobb 54
                2 Max Carey 33
                3 George Burns 28
                4 Honus Wagner 27
                5 Sherry Magee 23
                Frank Schulte 23
                7 Johnny Evers 21
                8 George Sisler 20
                9 Frankie Frisch 19
                Jackie Robinson 19
                11 Jim Sheckard 18
                Tris Speaker 18
                Joe Tinker 18
                14 Rod Carew 17
                15 Eddie Collins 17
                Larry Doyle 17
                17 Tommy Leach 16
                18 Ben Chapman 15
                Fred Clarke 15
                Lou Gehrig 15
                21 Bobby Byrne 14
                Fritz Maisel 14
                Fred Merkle 14
                Vic Saier 14
                25 Heinie Zimmerman 13
                26 Donie Bush 12
                Sam Rice 12
                28 Shano Collins 11
                Harry Hooper 11
                George Moriarty 11
                Braggo Roth 11
                32 Buck Herzog 10
                Jimmy Johnston 10
                Rabbit Maranville 10
                Paul Molitor 10
                Babe Ruth 10
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                Notes:
                Among Cobb's steals of home, 23 came as when Cobb was the lead runner of a double steal, and 6 came when he was the lead runner of a triple steal.

                I believe that all of Lou Gehrig's steals came when he were the lead runner of a double steal. (Meaning, he was on 3rd, and the runner on 1st breaks for second, allowing Lou to come home.)

                Bill
                Last edited by Bill Burgess; 04-02-2006, 06:03 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by [email protected]
                  I believe that all of Babe Ruth's and Lou Gehrig came when they were the lead runner of a double steal. (Meaning, they were on 3rd, and the runner on 1st breaks for second, allowing them to come home.)
                  I've come across at least 2 that were with nobody else on Babe Bill. One was immediately after he tripled, and the readup of the other one mentioned nobody else on base.

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                  • #10
                    interesting bill - how many attempts did cobb have?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mattingly

                      As many Brooklyn Dodger and NY Yankee fans may recount from the 1955 WS, the phrase "Was he safe or was he out?" was about Jackie Robinson's theft of home against Yogi Berra, while Yogi to this day contends Jackie was out. Many Brooklyn Dodger fans would feel otherwise.
                      I think Yogi had a good argument on this one. Can't be certain but it looks like Yogi has the mitt down and between home plate and Jackie's foot.
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                      • #12
                        A bit bigger. Don't see how Jackie could get to home without running into Yogi's mitt.
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                        • #13
                          I think Ty Cobb holds the single season record with 8 in one season. It would be nice to know how often the best stealers of home were called out when trying to steal the base.

                          If you reached 3B around 100 times in a season then chances are you would see a good opportunity a few times. A rookie pitcher not paying any attention to you, a struggling pitcher turning his back on you for a second to concentrate on his next pitch, or a pitcher with a slow deliberate windup might be easy to attempt it on. If you are already 8 to 10 feet down the line before you take off, then a quick burst only gives the pitcher a split second to make the throw.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sweet Lou
                            I've never seen it done, nor seen footage. How does it happen? How does the runner beat the throw home? Is it all about timing, or is there a lot of luck involved? I, too, wish they'd steal home more often.
                            Lou
                            For sure it has to start with the pitcher napping, well thats too strong, the pitcher not paying attention and the runner getting the jump. What I think also contributes is that the pitcher realizing the situation hurries the throw and it could be high or outside giving the sliding runner a better chance of eluding the tag.

                            That has to be it, the jump on the pitcher and the ball caught away from the plate. No matter how fast the runner, how could he beat the ball to the plate, even if he's 30 feet away, the ball takes less than a half second to reach home.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SHOELESSJOE3
                              I think Yogi had a good argument on this one. Can't be certain but it looks like Yogi has the mitt down and between home plate and Jackie's foot.
                              As I look at that pic and the arguments people make about where the ump was standing, I think of two things:

                              On a steal of home (unlike a baserunner rounding 3B on a hit), the ump wasn't positioned behind home in line with 3B (facing 3B). He was expecting to call balls & strikes, as the hitter is still in the box w/bat in hand.

                              If you look at the ump's head, then Yogi's head is right in line with this. Since I presume this was a bang-bang play, then it's possible that Yogi's head and/or body could've interfered with the ump's sight. From the camera angle, it looks like he's out, but that's not the ump's angle on things.

                              You agree with this or disagree?

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                              Anybody know if most of the top home plate stealers did this off southpaws, whose backs are to 3B as they stand on the hill?

                              ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

                              According to Mr Bill--who definitely does know--the Babe stole home *TEN TIMES*! I wouldn't have believed it had anyone else posted this.

                              Hey, Mr Bill, are ya *SURE* about this?
                              Last edited by Mattingly; 04-02-2006, 05:15 PM.
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