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    last night, at madison square garden, jaromir jagr was credited with a goal that he didn't score. the goal would put him ahead of adam graves as the highest goal scoring ranger in history. but something buzzed his conscience and after some celebration he told the referee that he did not touch the puck and the goal was not his. replays confirmed this.

    i think that if the question comes to whether barry bonds or others will accept a hall of fame induction, we should learn that if you achieve a great feat by trickery or without having truly earned it, then something eats at you forever. jagr cleared it up right away. i think when the time comes, those who cheated themselves and all of us by using illegal substances will also come clean.

  • #2
    That's very good example of sportsmanship.

    Unless he has an epiphany, I wouldn't count on the same from Bonds.
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    • #3
      cg: i think when the time comes, those who cheated themselves and all of us by using illegal substances will also come clean.

      when the time comes?
      you mean in the future?

      what, then, do you say of the players who used illegal drugs but are presently in the hall?
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      • #4
        "I wouldn't count on the same from Bonds" is an incomplete sentence.

        also, you know that it is an incomplete sentence yet you still posted it.
        "you don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. just get people to stop reading them." -ray bradbury

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        • #5
          Originally posted by west coast orange and black
          "I wouldn't count on the same from Bonds" is an incomplete sentence.

          also, you know that it is an incomplete sentence yet you still posted it.
          Is that all you have left to resort to, Tony?

          I must admit that it's nice to see the wind finally leaving your sails.

          There was nothing else you could come back because you know damn well I'm right.

          Perhaps you're getting tired of defending a dirt bag?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by runningshoes53
            Is that all you have left to resort to, Tony?
            How 'bout you answer post #3?
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            • #7
              Bonds arguement aside (why is EVERYTHING about Bonds these days?!)...looks like Jagr is finally maturing a bit. The Jagr of most of the last 15 years wouldn't have done this. Good for him.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by RuthMayBond
                How 'bout you answer post #3?
                I have an answer to post # 3?

                You must know something I don't.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by runningshoes53
                  You must know something I don't.
                  Yeah, that you think your street only runs one way
                  Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by RuthMayBond
                    Yeah, that you think your street only runs one way
                    My street runs whichever way I want it to run. That's the beauty of it being my street.

                    As for the players in the hall who cheated?

                    I would have to look at each individual case and the case we're all looking at right now has the floor.
                    "I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by runningshoes53
                      As for the players in the hall who cheated?

                      I would have to look at each individual case
                      What's to look at, with Gaylord Perry?

                      <and the case we're all looking at right now has the floor.>

                      Because guys like you can't stop bringing up an unproven case rather than a proven one
                      Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by RuthMayBond
                        What's to look at, with Gaylord Perry?

                        <and the case we're all looking at right now has the floor.>

                        Because guys like you can't stop bringing up an unproven case rather than a proven one
                        Would you like me to lobby to have Perry removed?

                        I can't change the past; I can only bitch about the future.

                        And I'm done sparring with you. Don't call waste your time calling me out again unless it has to do with the two of us.

                        I know Bonds is only hitting .143, but that's life..right?
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                        • #13
                          If you're talking a goal, which is a single NHL play, then how about when a guy forced a runner, but his foot was actually off the bag? Or a "phantom tag" where the baserunner wasn't even touched by the glove? I've seen guys called out when the ball was in the bare hand, not the gloved hand. Do any of these guys tell the ump that the baserunner was really safe, thereby putting their team in danger of losing a close game? No they don't.

                          I think it's a stretch to compare this to someone declining HoF membership because of allegations of PED usage. The fact of the matter is, Barry Bonds had already had nearly each of 500 HRs and 500 swipes, so he was set to go into Cooperstown one way or the next. Have any hockey, NBA or NFL players refused induction if they were alleged to have used substances illegal in one sport or the next?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by runningshoes53
                            And I'm done sparring with you. Don't call waste your time calling me out again unless it has to do with the two of us.
                            Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RuthMayBond
                              Because guys like you can't stop bringing up an unproven case rather than a proven one

                              I'm going to try to type this with a straight face....

                              My eyes are blind I cannot see
                              I have not brought my specs with me.
                              I have.....not...brought....my....specs....with...me .
                              "I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
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