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The Umpires - When is Enough Enough?

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  • #16
    Joe West needs to be put out to pasture. Let him croon his country songs till the cows come home, but for heaven's sake, get him off the baseball diamond. The man is an embarrassment.
    Shalom, y'all!
    What's the rumpus?

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    • #17
      MLB needs to fire him already! How long do we have to put up with this BS?!?!

      http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=14690335
      Mike Hopper
      Former Gateway Grizzlies Intern

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      • #18
        Are MLB umpires unfireable because of the union? I assume they are.

        Bowa is spot on in that clip.
        My top 10 players:

        1. Babe Ruth
        2. Barry Bonds
        3. Ty Cobb
        4. Ted Williams
        5. Willie Mays
        6. Alex Rodriguez
        7. Hank Aaron
        8. Honus Wagner
        9. Lou Gehrig
        10. Mickey Mantle

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        • #19
          Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
          Are MLB umpires unfireable because of the union? I assume they are.

          Bowa is spot on in that clip.
          The stuff with West is bad enough, but hardly surprising. The incident with Mattingly and Mike DiMuro is surprising to me. For DuMuro to first admit he isn't 100% sure of his call, and then refuse Mattingly's request to ask another umpire is inexcusable, in my opinion.
          Shalom, y'all!
          What's the rumpus?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Dogdaze View Post
            When asked about West getting physical, Francona reiterated his stance.
            "He was grabbing me," he said. "I didn't appreciate that. I thought he was out of line."
            Francona should have turned around and popped West in the head. Or, better yet, kicked him in the nads.
            Last edited by Mr. Laser Beam; 05-12-2011, 01:24 PM.
            It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by ol' aches and pains View Post
              The stuff with West is bad enough, but hardly surprising. The incident with Mattingly and Mike DiMuro is surprising to me. For DuMuro to first admit he isn't 100% sure of his call, and then refuse Mattingly's request to ask another umpire is inexcusable, in my opinion.
              Moving a little off the topic, and encroaching on another topic, Mattingly made an interesting point in that in the incident in question, an instant replay would have taken much less time than all arguing that went on, and the correct decision would have resulted. The same would have applied in the Francona incident. It may even see the demise of umpires like West when they know their decisions will be under more scrutiny.
              "A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz." ~Humphrey Bogart

              No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference. ~Tommy Lasorda

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              • #22
                Here's another video where they talk about altercations over the last week or so..

                http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=14747287

                An umpire man-handles a manager and gets no penalty. A player makes incidental contact with an umpire and gets suspended. Wake up MLB!
                Mike Hopper
                Former Gateway Grizzlies Intern

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                • #23
                  I am an admirer of and sympathizer with umpires almost all of the time. West was, as he often is, out of line, MAINLY for this reason: Angel Hernandez is a nearly 20-year veteran. If the umpire Francona wanted to question had been a rookie, the crew chief often will step in to protect him. Some crew chiefs don't step in, believing that a newer umpire has to take some heat, but they don't let it escalate. West escalated it himself.

                  The Mattingly-DiMuro business surprised me, and for a few reasons. One, DiMuro is a good umpire. Not only that, he is the son of another fine umpire, the late Lou DiMuro, and by his account he said something like, "How often are any of us 100% sure of anything?" No. They teach you from the outset in umpire school not to say something like that to give wiggle room for an argument. Two, Mattingly doesn't have a reputation, so far as I know, as a whiner or anything like that. Managers who make silly arguments--the classic was Earl Weaver--would get no slack. There's a story about Walter Alston about the time he stepped out of the dugout and called over the umpiring crew--and they came over to him! He had their respect.

                  Rapuano is widely regarded as one of the best umpires in baseball, and deservedly so. The Victorino footage reminded me of something the late, great Jocko Conlan once said. He said a player who had been ejected would say, I didn't say a word, and Conlan said, oh, but if they knew what he DID. Rapuano may have thought Victorino gave him the finger, for example. That doesn't mean Victorino did. But I notice that fans, writers, and broadcasters display this incredible ability to know exactly what was said in an argument, and 99.9999999% of the time, their knowledge favors the player or manager over the umpire. Well, I think of the umpire quoted in a recent book as saying that maybe the steroid revelations will make people understand why umpires had to get a bit more physical in recent years, because players were foaming at the mouth.

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                  • #24
                    Foaming at the mouth? Now, that's funny. Well-written and concise commentary, and right on point. Though West is largely panned by observers of the game as well as participants, I wonder how much is due to the 24-7 availability of coverage via the Net and various cable channels? A fellow can't even pick his nose in private anymore without seeing it televised worldwide, it seems. We as fans/viewers/observers are able to dissect and interpret, or misinterpret, every move made by another person (be they public figure, sports icon, someone on their honeymoon, driving the kids to school in sweats, with a stain on the shirt, with a bad hair day, etc.). On the whole, I think most umpires/referees/game officials, down to grade school level, try hard and do a darn fine job.

                    Then there's Joe West. He might have been a decent ump at one time, now he's a short-fused egoist. Union or not, there ought be a review board after so many egregious incidences.

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                    • #25
                      I detest umpires who have the strike zone of a postage stamp and do not keep the game moving at a good pace. They should be promoted and demoted like the players.

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                      • #26
                        So who is surprised this umpiring crew is involved in controversy once again?

                        http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=15095195
                        Mike Hopper
                        Former Gateway Grizzlies Intern

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Bulldog19 View Post
                          So who is surprised this umpiring crew is involved in controversy once again?
                          Ah jeeze, what the heck is the MLB thinking by assigning a rookie umpire to this crew? Really? They want Joe West to be mentoring new umpires? This is so stupid it hurts.

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                          • #28
                            http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=16242041

                            This umpiring crew apparently doesn't need a 1st base umpire..
                            Mike Hopper
                            Former Gateway Grizzlies Intern

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Bulldog19 View Post
                              http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=16242041

                              This umpiring crew apparently doesn't need a 1st base umpire..
                              The important thing is to get the call right, which they did. The first baseman never tagged the runner. I have no problem with this one.
                              Shalom, y'all!
                              What's the rumpus?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by ol' aches and pains View Post
                                The important thing is to get the call right, which they did. The first baseman never tagged the runner. I have no problem with this one.
                                I have no stake in this particular play. I just found that video and thought it was interesting.

                                Well I guess that depends on who you ask. How can the guys from the other side of the field make that call? And if they can see it better than the guy standing in position closer to the play, then he needs to be replaced or they can eliminate that spot completely. Also, another umpire is not supposed to be allowed to overrule his partner which clearly happened in this case.
                                Mike Hopper
                                Former Gateway Grizzlies Intern

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