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Ryan Braun busted for PED use; faces 50 day ban

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  • This thread is amazing to me.

    After years of PED's being part of baseball (and always will be)I am amazed how shocked some still get when something happens. The most amazingly ignorant thing I read is that some try to put all PED users in a particular bucket and say "he didnt seem the type". That is some serious ignorance right there.

    If you want to catergorize someone that is a PED user you can classify them as this...."HYPER-COMPETITIVE". There you go anyone that is hyper-competitve is a potential PED user. Which by the way is anyone that plays pro sports because with out being hyper competitive you dont make it to that level. As mentioned in this thread Alex Sanchez roided up.....did he break any records? Does that mean all pros take ped's...no.

    I think the world would collapse if a TRUE list of roid users came out over the last 30 years. I have my own therories about certain players that I believe juiced over their careers. I dare not share it on here because they definately "are not the type", and would just cause an unwarranted back and forth on here.

    I remember arguing with someone in 1997 with someone about Big Mac. I said he was definately roided up, and when FOX would give you a close up of how big his forearms were that they werent doing him any favors. The person I was disagreeing with about Mac's roid use was saying to me "no way he isnt the type of guy to do that". Well we know how that story ended. People think only that only the Albert Belles of the world are the "type".

    Personally I dont care if they use PED's or not. Its their business, not mine. I loved the homers. MLB was loving 1998 when the HR record was going down by both Mac and Sosa. Everyone in MLB knew it including that s---bag Selig. It was putting asses in seats and MLB was back on the map after the 1994-95 strike. So when roid use was helping baseball make money Selig and his cronies made believe they didnt know about it. When the s--t hit the fan all of a sudden they were in shock, and bailed on the players that made them that money. Please dont be ignorant.

    My opinion on Braun... Well its one or the other. Either he was juicing from day 1 or the drug test was a false positive. Why? Because his performance didnt really change too much over the course of his career. He didnt all of a sudden become Superman. He also passed 25 drug tests during his career. He didnt go from 20 homers to 50 homers. His record breaking testosterone level also seems a bit odd...doesnt it? I am not saying Braun didnt but I know there can be a false positive. I dont believe anyone tampered with the sample, but again...sometimes s--t happens and you can get a false positive.
    Last edited by Paulypal; 02-25-2012, 07:05 AM.

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    • Originally posted by Paulypal View Post
      This thread is amazing to me.

      After years of PED's being part of baseball (and always will be)I am amazed how shocked some still get when something happens. The most amazingly ignorant thing I read is that some try to put all PED users in a particular bucket and say "he didnt seem the type". That is some serious ignorance right there.

      .
      My opinion about PEDs is that any professional athlete is the type who would use them. I also believe that virtually every MLB player form the last 15 years has been a likely user. I have no problem believing that Ryan Braun tested positive and he just got lucky because his tester probably figured it was more secure for him to keep the samples in his posession waiting for the local FedEx office to open up rather than drop them off at a Kinkos like some people have suggested he could have done.

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      • "I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
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        • Originally posted by EdTarbusz View Post
          My opinion about PEDs is that any professional athlete is the type who would use them. I also believe that virtually every MLB player form the last 15 years has been a likely user. I have no problem believing that Ryan Braun tested positive and he just got lucky because his tester probably figured it was more secure for him to keep the samples in his posession waiting for the local FedEx office to open up rather than drop them off at a Kinkos like some people have suggested he could have done.
          Thats saying a lot, I doubt that.

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          • Originally posted by EdTarbusz View Post
            My opinion about PEDs is that any professional athlete is the type who would use them. I also believe that virtually every MLB player form the last 15 years has been a likely user.
            "Herman Franks to Sal Yvars to Bobby Thomson. Ralph Branca to Bobby Thomson to Helen Rita... cue Russ Hodges."

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            • Originally posted by Los Bravos View Post
              For anyone not interested in embasrrassing conspiracy theories, Mr Laurenzi is hardly some Wrigley yahoo.



              Part of me hopes this is the way Braun's camp is going to go. Public opinion already seems to be running pretty solidly against him. Baselessly impugning the integrity of someone with professional credentials like this will only make him look worse. He needs to quit while he's ahead. Foolishly pressing on, trying to affirmatively prove his innocence, is not going to work much better for him than it did for Clemens.
              Taking samples to your home and not understanding basic FedEx hours is hardly screaming professional credentials.

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              • Originally posted by jnakamura View Post
                I see that giving the benefit of the doubt is highly conditional in your world.
                Originally posted by NJYankeeFan View Post
                Taking samples to your home and not understanding basic FedEx hours is hardly screaming professional credentials.
                The CBA and testing rules allow the sample collector to store the sample in a secure location if he isn't able to ship immediately. He did that. The arbiter disagreed.

                Surely this is not the first time a sample did not make it to Fed Ex immediately leaving the ballpark?
                "Herman Franks to Sal Yvars to Bobby Thomson. Ralph Branca to Bobby Thomson to Helen Rita... cue Russ Hodges."

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                • Originally posted by Paulypal View Post
                  This thread is amazing to me.

                  After years of PED's being part of baseball (and always will be)I am amazed how shocked some still get when something happens. The most amazingly ignorant thing I read is that some try to put all PED users in a particular bucket and say "he didnt seem the type". That is some serious ignorance right there.

                  If you want to catergorize someone that is a PED user you can classify them as this...."HYPER-COMPETITIVE". There you go anyone that is hyper-competitve is a potential PED user. Which by the way is anyone that plays pro sports because with out being hyper competitive you dont make it to that level. As mentioned in this thread Alex Sanchez roided up.....did he break any records? Does that mean all pros take ped's...no.

                  I think the world would collapse if a TRUE list of roid users came out over the last 30 years. I have my own therories about certain players that I believe juiced over their careers. I dare not share it on here because they definately "are not the type", and would just cause an unwarranted back and forth on here.

                  I remember arguing with someone in 1997 with someone about Big Mac. I said he was definately roided up, and when FOX would give you a close up of how big his forearms were that they werent doing him any favors. The person I was disagreeing with about Mac's roid use was saying to me "no way he isnt the type of guy to do that". Well we know how that story ended. People think only that only the Albert Belles of the world are the "type".

                  Personally I dont care if they use PED's or not. Its their business, not mine. I loved the homers. MLB was loving 1998 when the HR record was going down by both Mac and Sosa. Everyone in MLB knew it including that s---bag Selig. It was putting asses in seats and MLB was back on the map after the 1994-95 strike. So when roid use was helping baseball make money Selig and his cronies made believe they didnt know about it. When the s--t hit the fan all of a sudden they were in shock, and bailed on the players that made them that money. Please dont be ignorant.

                  My opinion on Braun... Well its one or the other. Either he was juicing from day 1 or the drug test was a false positive. Why? Because his performance didnt really change too much over the course of his career. He didnt all of a sudden become Superman. He also passed 25 drug tests during his career. He didnt go from 20 homers to 50 homers. His record breaking testosterone level also seems a bit odd...doesnt it? I am not saying Braun didnt but I know there can be a false positive. I dont believe anyone tampered with the sample, but again...sometimes s--t happens and you can get a false positive.
                  I don't know, I could envision a scenario where a player is beat up and tired from the grind of a long season and decides to try to get an extra "boost" for the playoffs. Remember, this sample came from after game 1 of the playoffs.
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                  • Originally posted by EdTarbusz View Post
                    My opinion about PEDs is that any professional athlete is the type who would use them. I also believe that virtually every MLB player form the last 15 years has been a likely user. I have no problem believing that Ryan Braun tested positive and he just got lucky because his tester probably figured it was more secure for him to keep the samples in his posession waiting for the local FedEx office to open up rather than drop them off at a Kinkos like some people have suggested he could have done.
                    I agree. I'd even go so far as to say I suspect PED usage occured even further back than that. Tom House, for one, has admitted using steroids as far back as the 60's.
                    San Francisco Giants, World Series Champions in 2010, 2012, and 2014!!!

                    "Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts" ~ Albert Einstein

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                    • Originally posted by NJYankeeFan View Post
                      Taking samples to your home and not understanding basic FedEx hours is hardly screaming professional credentials.
                      From the sounds of it, it was standard procedure for collectors to take samples home when a FedEx wasn't immediately available. Perhaps that wasn't the case in this instance, but it sounds like this wasn't the first time a sample was taken home for the night.
                      San Francisco Giants, World Series Champions in 2010, 2012, and 2014!!!

                      "Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts" ~ Albert Einstein

                      "Royals wear crowns, but Champions Kiss the Ring" ~ Jeremy Affeldt

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                      • Originally posted by Rich the Giants fan View Post
                        I agree. I'd even go so far as to say I suspect PED usage occured even further back than that. Tom House, for one, has admitted using steroids as far back as the 60's.
                        I think Ed's too far out with that............almost every MLB player, thats what he's saying.That takes in lots of players.

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                        • Originally posted by KevinWI View Post
                          The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel has uncovered who the urine sample collector was.

                          Dino I. Laurenzi Jr. of Kenosha, Wisconsin. He's an athletic trainer unaffiliated with the Brewers who runs a sports medicine practice down there in Kenosha (about an hour south of Milwaukee, for those unfamiliar with the area).

                          Kenosha is filled with Cubs fans. It's fairly close to the Illinois border. I have family there, and the stores there sell both Packers and Bears clothes. Both Brewers and Cubs merchandise. Hmmm. Could Mr. Laurenzi be a Cubs fan? Is that a wiff of motive I smell there?

                          I have constantly detested the way that the Cubs fanbase treated Steve Bartman after the 2003 playoffs, but God help me, I hope Laurenzi gets some Bartman treatment from Brewers fans.
                          I see he's got a lot more professional credentials than you. Time for you to grow up and move on. Brewers gonna get 3rd, 4th place in the division this year? All of MLB conspiring against the drunks from up north?
                          Mike Hopper
                          Former Gateway Grizzlies Intern

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                          • Duplicate.
                            Last edited by SHOELESSJOE3; 02-25-2012, 11:23 AM.

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                            • Originally posted by Paulypal View Post
                              My opinion on Braun... Well its one or the other. Either he was juicing from day 1 or the drug test was a false positive.
                              I doubt its that cut and dry. It could be that he signed that enormous contract and felt pressured to keep performing at a high level, a la A-Rod.

                              Originally posted by KevinWI View Post
                              I don't understand why a business-minded image-conscious talented ballplayer who would have everything to lose by a positive PED test would even risk it. He's also a young guy who saw what the cloud of PEDs did to Sosa, McGwire, Bonds, A-Rod, etc. There's no reason for him to use performance enhancing drugs and granted I don't know him personally, but I just see nothing in his character that would pin him as somebody likely to cheat.
                              Rich people don't steal? Happy people don't do drugs? Rich people don't waste money? Smart people don't take stupid risks?

                              It could be greed, it could be pressure, it could be that enough is not enough. There are plenty of reasons people do what they do. We just can't always understand them because we're not in their shoes.

                              Not comparing Braun to Tiger Woods or Kobe Bryant, but if there's anything we've learned over the years, it's that the seemingly "nice" guys can have some real nasty skeletons in their closet.
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                              • Originally posted by SHOELESSJOE3 View Post
                                I think Ed's too far out with that............almost every MLB player, thats what he's saying.That takes in lots of players.
                                Well not every player, but thousands of them, and more than most people suspect, IMO. No player is beyond suspicision to me, not even guys like Omar Vizquel.
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