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Ryan Braun busted for PED use; faces 50 day ban

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  • Originally posted by Rich the Giants fan View Post
    From the sounds of it, it was standard procedure for collectors to take samples home when a FedEx wasn't immediately available. Perhaps that wasn't the case in this instance, but it sounds like this wasn't the first time a sample was taken home for the night.
    I thought Fed Ex was immediately available. The Fed Ex Office location at 17925 W Bluemound Rd, Brookfield, Wi. is less than 10 miles from Miller Park, and open 24/7. Whether or not Braun is guilty, I find it unacceptable for the sample to be outside the chain of custody for 44 hours, or for one hour. The system has to be unimpeachable, they're dealing with people's livelihoods and reputations. What is the point of making a grown man urinate in a cup under the watchfull eye of the collector, if the collector is going to take the sample home for the weekend?
    Shalom, y'all!
    What's the rumpus?

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    • A courier keeping it is not outside the chain of custody. A chain of custody simply means a chronological documentation concerning the handling of whatever good you are tracking. A courier taking it home doesn't break that chain. Him leaving it on a park bench while he catches a movie does. The CBA was written with rules with this expected outcome happening at times.

      page 39 of the Joint Agreement:
      If the specimen is not immediately prepared for shipment, the Collector shall
      ensure that it is appropriately safeguarded during temporary storage.
      1. The Collector must keep the chain of custody intact.

      2. The Collector must store the samples in a cool and secure location.
      Now then we don't know all of the information since none of this was supposed to get out to the public so the courier keeping it might not have anything to do with the case being overturned. Something else might have happened or the arbiter could have simply made a mistake. We don't really know.

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      • Originally posted by Ubiquitous View Post
        A courier keeping it is not outside the chain of custody. A chain of custody simply means a chronological documentation concerning the handling of whatever good you are tracking. A courier taking it home doesn't break that chain. Him leaving it on a park bench while he catches a movie does. The CBA was written with rules with this expected outcome happening at times.

        page 39 of the Joint Agreement:


        Now then we don't know all of the information since none of this was supposed to get out to the public so the courier keeping it might not have anything to do with the case being overturned. Something else might have happened or the arbiter could have simply made a mistake. We don't really know.
        The CBA also states in the drug testing section:
        7. The Collector shall check the “FedEx” box in the section entitled “Specimen Bottles(s) Released to:” Absent unusual circumstances, the specimens should be sent by FedEx to the Laboratory on the same day they are collected.

        I have yet to hear what the "unusual circumstances" were that prevented the collector from submitting the samples to Fed Ex for 44 hours, when there is a 24/7 Fed Ex Office location less than 10 miles from the ballpark. I know it was the weekend, but the sample should have been stored until Monday under the controlled conditions at the Fed Ex location, not in this guy's refrigerator. And we only have his word for it that it even was in his refrigerator. The chain of custody needs to be tightened up if this is considered acceptable collection and shipping procedure.
        Last edited by ol' aches and pains; 02-25-2012, 04:40 PM.
        Shalom, y'all!
        What's the rumpus?

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        • Steroids are going to be a part of baseball for the rest of time there is no getting around it. Guys are going to juice and maybe not to the point guys like Bonds and Sosa would, because now everyone knows it when they see it and therefore will be publicly inicted. But MLB obviously isn't going to do anything about it. Manny got his suspension reduced, because the union caimed he "served it by retiring (quitting)." Its freaking a joke. If MLB was serious they would fight these guys tooth and nail but THEY ARE NOT, more empty promises from the top. They can't even follow a due process. It is in the best interest of baseball as the poster sport for steroids and for its own personal self preservation to make sure guys get punished when they break rules. Its one thing when your fighting the union its another when you SUPPOSEDLY can't even hire someone who can move a cup of piss properly.

          NO ONE IN BASEBALLS OFFICES GET ANY FLACK. Some random piss handler does? How often do these people lose piss tests? Guarantee not often, if ever. They happen to lose the most high profile piss they have? This reeks of serious freaking bullsh*t.

          We all better get used to this because it is NEVER GOING AWAY.
          Last edited by bluesky5; 02-25-2012, 04:31 PM.
          "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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          • Originally posted by SHOELESSJOE3 View Post
            I think Ed's too far out with that............almost every MLB player, thats what he's saying.That takes in lots of players.
            I don't think there is a single MLB player from the last 15 years that is above suspicion when it comes to PED usage. If non-users made some noise about wanting testing in the game I would probably think different about it. I think that players would be more interested in keeping a competitive edge then in staying clean.

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            • Originally posted by Rich the Giants fan View Post
              I agree. I'd even go so far as to say I suspect PED usage occured even further back than that. Tom House, for one, has admitted using steroids as far back as the 60's.
              Really? These roids work after one use I guess. Cmon.

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              • Originally posted by RubeBaker View Post
                I doubt its that cut and dry. It could be that he signed that enormous contract and felt pressured to keep performing at a high level, a la A-Rod.
                Really Rube? How about the 3 tests he passed during the 2011 season?

                By the way the quote in your signature box was written by a genius.

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                • Originally posted by Bulldog19 View Post
                  I see he's got a lot more professional credentials than you. Time for you to grow up and move on. Brewers gonna get 3rd, 4th place in the division this year? All of MLB conspiring against the drunks from up north?
                  Your pathetic attempts to get me mad in every thread I post in are getting a bit silly, Mike. Are we going to debate baseball topics like men, or are you going to keep trying to get under my skin like a child?

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                  • Originally posted by ol' aches and pains View Post
                    I thought Fed Ex was immediately available. The Fed Ex Office location at 17925 W Bluemound Rd, Brookfield, Wi. is less than 10 miles from Miller Park, and open 24/7. Whether or not Braun is guilty, I find it unacceptable for the sample to be outside the chain of custody for 44 hours, or for one hour. The system has to be unimpeachable, they're dealing with people's livelihoods and reputations. What is the point of making a grown man urinate in a cup under the watchfull eye of the collector, if the collector is going to take the sample home for the weekend?
                    Yes. I used to use that one to ship stuff for work. I can confirm it is open 24/7.

                    There is another 24/7 FedEx Kinkos near General Mitchell International Airport which is south of Milwaukee and would have been on the collector's way home from Miller Park to Kenosha.

                    You'd think that since his whole job is to collect samples and get them to FedEx that he would, you know, know the hours and locations of FedEx. I mean, as we have seen pointed out, this guy is apparently an expert pee cup holder and has been doing it for the NBA, NHL and MLB since 2005. With all that experience, you'd think he would know where all the nearest FedEx Kinkos are and when they are open.

                    I'd like to know why nobody at Major League Baseball, the courier agency or the doping lab in Montreal failed to notice that the sample was collected on October 1st, but the guy didn't drop it off at FedEx Kinkos and generate a tracking number until October 3rd. Surely that should have raised some red flags?
                    Last edited by KevinWI; 02-25-2012, 04:58 PM.

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                    • Originally posted by KevinWI View Post
                      You'd think that since his whole job is to collect samples and get them to FedEx that he would, you know, know the hours and locations of FedEx. I mean, as we have seen pointed out, this guy is apparently an expert pee cup holder and has been doing it for the NBA, NHL and MLB since 2005. With all that experience, you'd think he would know where all the nearest FedEx Kinkos are and when they are open.
                      And I'm sure Ryan Braun is the first big name player he's been involved with collecting their urine sample so he just had to become famous by tainting it...

                      Have we heard from the guy yet? Or are we just going to have Braun and his fanboys accusing him of wrongdoing?
                      Mike Hopper
                      Former Gateway Grizzlies Intern

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                      • Originally posted by Bulldog19 View Post
                        And I'm sure Ryan Braun is the first big name player he's been involved with collecting their urine sample so he just had to become famous by tainting it...
                        I don't know. There are a lot of weirdos out there. People who stalk celebrities and what not.

                        Originally posted by Bulldog19 View Post
                        Have we heard from the guy yet? Or are we just going to have Braun and his fanboys accusing him of wrongdoing?
                        Kinda like how everybody condemned Braun 30 seconds after reading the headline on ESPN.com?

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                        • Originally posted by EdTarbusz View Post
                          his tester probably figured it was more secure for him to keep the samples in his posession waiting for the local FedEx office to open up rather than drop them off at a Kinkos like some people have suggested he could have done.
                          Except:

                          1 - There are a few 24/7 FedEx Kinkos open in the Milwaukee Area, including another 10 miles from Miller Park and another near the airport on his way home.
                          2 - FedEx Kinkos is equipped to handle clinical samples. They do it all the time. Law enforcement agencies also use FedEx for shipping evidence in criminal cases. FedEx is able to ship a drug sample in a secure, climate controlled environment.

                          And has we've established, Mr. Dino Lasagna is an all-star urine cup collector, so he should of known those two facts rather than deciding to take Ryan Braun's urine home for 2 days.

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                          • Originally posted by KevinWI View Post
                            Except:

                            1 - There are a few 24/7 FedEx Kinkos open in the Milwaukee Area, including another 10 miles from Miller Park and another near the airport on his way home.
                            2 - FedEx Kinkos is equipped to handle clinical samples. They do it all the time. Law enforcement agencies also use FedEx for shipping evidence in criminal cases. FedEx is able to ship a drug sample in a secure, climate controlled environment.

                            And has we've established, Mr. Dino Lasagna is an all-star urine cup collector, so he should of known those two facts rather than deciding to take Ryan Braun's urine home for 2 days.
                            Maybe he has an issue with Fed Ex Kinkos. My guess is that the collector had a good reason for what he did.

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                            • Originally posted by EdTarbusz View Post
                              Maybe he has an issue with Fed Ex Kinkos. My guess is that the collector had a good reason for what he did.
                              The drug testing policy explicitly states that the collector is supposed to ship the samples to Montreal via FedEx.

                              And why are you giving the collector slack on this Ed? Everybody on this forum gives Selig, everybody in MLB and the players a hard time on PED use in the game, yet this collector who disappeared with a sample for 44 hours is given tons and tons of slack from the fans outside of Brewers fanbase.

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                              • Originally posted by KevinWI View Post

                                And has we've established, Mr. Dino Lasagna is an all-star urine cup collector, so he should of known those two facts rather than deciding to take Ryan Braun's urine home for 2 days.
                                Figure it out


                                ''You have to ask yourself how ridiculous the argument is — particularly because athletes would much prefer to have their sample kept with the trained professional, hired by your union to maintain it and keep it secure rather than it being dropped off overnight at some random Mailbox Inc., in a strip mall waiting to be shipped out with a bunch of Christmas presents,'' Tygart said.
                                http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/m...pension-022412
                                Mike Hopper
                                Former Gateway Grizzlies Intern

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