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Ryan Braun busted for PED use; faces 50 day ban

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  • #31
    Originally posted by Blue387 View Post
    Heck, with the way things are going, the Pirates could actually win first place in the NL Central.
    With Wainwright back, Furcal all year, Beltran very possible in CF (according to rumours), the revamped bullpen all year, and a solid Craig replacing Pujols, I bet the Cards win more games next year than they did last year. Probably close to 95. That is a vast improvement in SP, CF, and SS from last year. Only 1B going downhill. Pujols' 5.1 WAR are not that hard to replace. Craig had over 2 WAR in just 2.5 months.

    If the Cards get Beltran, look at their lineup next year:

    Furcal
    Beltran
    Berkman
    Holliday
    Freese
    Craig
    Molina
    Descalso

    With Wainwright and Carp at the top of the rotation and a great pen.

    That is a really, really good team... if healthy, of course.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by The Dude View Post
      If anyone needs me, ill just be over here digging a hole to crawl in and die.
      If it makes you feel any better, someone at Brew Crew Ball made this joke about Yuniesky Betancourt:

      The Mets have the best, smartest fans in baseball.

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      • #33
        This one cuts deep, but I'll wait to see the results of the appeal before I tie a noose around my neck and jump off the roof at Miller Park.

        Funny, I used to laugh at the guys who would try to defend the alleged steroid users on their teams, but when it's one of your guys being accused, it really hurts. We'll see what happens.

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        • #34
          What kinds of synthetic things can significantly (to the point of failing a MLB drug-test) boost testosterone levels that would not be PED's? I know there are some...
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          • #35
            Never would've suspected Braun...he's disputing it, I hope he is innocent...I thought rather highly of him...and that we were finally coming out of the age of stars getting busted with regularity, that we'd contained the problem...I hope this isn't a sign of future positives to come.

            But I WILL say this:

            I thought Kemp should've won the MVP even before the positive--and I definitely think he should've won it now...
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            • #36
              Originally posted by KevinWI View Post
              This one cuts deep, but I'll wait to see the results of the appeal before I tie a noose around my neck and jump off the roof at Miller Park.

              Funny, I used to laugh at the guys who would try to defend the alleged steroid users on their teams, but when it's one of your guys being accused, it really hurts. We'll see what happens.
              I was at work tonight when I first heard it, and I was thinking to myself "I've always been completely against defending steroid users," and decided to write Braun off. However, as I've learned now, this story shouldn't have even broken out yet because of the appeal. It'll be interesting to see what happens going forward, but until the final verdict, here's hoping Braun's as good a guy as we thought he was.

              Otherwise, this will be me for all of next year:

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              • #37
                So does MLB present him with the "MVP" award on opening day or in June?
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by theAmazingMet View Post
                  Well he's not the first NL MVP to be on roids thats for sure!
                  No, but he'll be the first to physically receive it after being busted.
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                  • #39
                    He said if he was using PEDs, he'd hit 60-70 bombs. Well, he only hit 33, playing in a hitters paradise with a protection in Fielder. This looks really really bad for Braun.
                    Using a stolen chant from Boston Celtics fans whenever an L.A. team is playing up there just reeks of inferiority complex.

                    If hitting a baseball is the toughest thing to do in sports, then pitching must be the easiest thing to do in sports.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by jnakamura View Post
                      No, but he'll be the first to physically receive it after being busted.
                      If he was actually on steroids, I don't see them handing him the award. This is going to be a PR nightmare if that turns out to be true and they don't rescind that.

                      I'm not hoping it's true, but it's hard to imagine a worst case scenario then than this.
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                      • #41
                        How is this less detrimental to the game than Pete Rose betting on games?

                        50 games isn't a deterrence when PEDs can get you a 100 million contract.
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                        • #42
                          I am absolutely gutted by this news.
                          When I read the story I was shocked, angry and disappointed all in one which surprises me slightly as I'm pretty much neutral on the whole PED issue.

                          I will wait for more information to come out and the appeals process to be finalised before I say something I may regret later.
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                          • #43
                            Who cares really?

                            MLB would have you think we are in the "post steroid era". Its all b.s.. Players will take what they can take. Period. Some may get caught...many more will get away with it.

                            I am tired of this steroid crap. I am tired about hearing about the 10 or so names we always hear about. Bonds, Mac, Sosa, etc etc etc...when thousands of player have used them. Until someone can tell me everyone that did it...I dont care about anyone that did.

                            I suspect a bunch of players that I believe used steroids that their names have never come up. If I am right it would rip through baseball. I personally dont care what players took what. I know I am in the minority, but so be it.

                            PED's have been in baseball for 50 years and great all time players have taken them. Names like Mays, Aaron, Mantle, and the list goes on. No you say? Read about baseball in the 50's and 60's when players were eating amphets like candy. What Amphets are not PED's? Really? Do they make you something your not? Yes they do. Alert, focused beyond belief.

                            When someone takes Willie Mays' bust out of Cooperstown I will then and only listen to the knocks on the PED users of the 90's and 00's.

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                            • #44
                              As for the contract extension, I suspect it has a morals or some similar type of clause that I suspect the Brewers could use if he is found guilty.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Paulypal View Post
                                Who cares really?

                                MLB would have you think we are in the "post steroid era". Its all b.s.. Players will take what they can take. Period. Some may get caught...many more will get away with it.

                                I am tired of this steroid crap. I am tired about hearing about the 10 or so names we always hear about. Bonds, Mac, Sosa, etc etc etc...when thousands of player have used them. Until someone can tell me everyone that did it...I dont care about anyone that did.

                                I suspect a bunch of players that I believe used steroids that their names have never come up. If I am right it would rip through baseball. I personally dont care what players took what. I know I am in the minority, but so be it.

                                PED's have been in baseball for 50 years and great all time players have taken them. Names like Mays, Aaron, Mantle, and the list goes on. No you say? Read about baseball in the 50's and 60's when players were eating amphets like candy. What Amphets are not PED's? Really? Do they make you something your not? Yes they do. Alert, focused beyond belief.

                                When someone takes Willie Mays' bust out of Cooperstown I will then and only listen to the knocks on the PED users of the 90's and 00's.
                                Riiiiiight.....and a cup of coffee changes your overall body mass equal to HGH.

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