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  • Is this really the beginning of a new pitchers' era?

    Inspired by the low scoring on opening day (which means nothing of course since it is only one day) I start this thread.

    2010 was called the year of the pitcher. with 4.38 runs this was the lowest scoring in nearly 2 decades. then 2011 came and the scoring was even lower. other stats like OBP, OPS and BA dropped correspondingly. the scoring already dropped slowly from the early to mid 2000s (probably due to th end of the steroid era) but this drop of in the last 2 years was really surprising.

    -Is this a fluke?

    -will this continue?

    -what is the reason for this? (I have a feeling that the high strike is called again a little more but not sure)
    18
    yes
    66.67%
    12
    no
    33.33%
    6
    I now have my own non commercial blog about training for batspeed and power using my training experience in baseball and track and field.

  • #2
    All I can say at this early point is Hallelujah, its overdue. Voted 'yes', and even if I am proven wrong here I have to hope otherwise.
    Catfish Hunter, RIP. Mark Fidrych, RIP. Skip Caray, RIP. Tony Gwynn, #19, RIP

    A fanatic is someone who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. -- Winston Churchill. (Please take note that I've recently become aware of how this quote applies to a certain US president. This is a coincidence, and the quote was first added to this signature too far back to remember when).

    Experience is the hardest teacher. She gives the test first and the lesson later. -- Dan Quisenberry.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by abolishthedh View Post
      All I can say at this early point is Hallelujah, its overdue. Voted 'yes', and even if I am proven wrong here I have to hope otherwise.
      Why do you hate offense?
      My top 10 players:

      1. Babe Ruth
      2. Barry Bonds
      3. Ty Cobb
      4. Ted Williams
      5. Willie Mays
      6. Alex Rodriguez
      7. Hank Aaron
      8. Honus Wagner
      9. Lou Gehrig
      10. Mickey Mantle

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      • #4
        Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
        Why do you hate offense?
        I suppose he's dreaming that baseball players will stop going for the home run and focus on contact more to counter the increased pitching prowess that's being displayed now?
        46 wins to match last year's total

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        • #5
          Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post
          I suppose he's dreaming that baseball players will stop going for the home run and focus on contact more to counter the increased pitching prowess that's being displayed now?
          IMO this is already happening. of course they won't play real small ball and the HR will always play a role but this stuff is already coming back.

          If you read the book moneyball they act like stealing and bunting is stupid and all that counts is walks and extra basehits. and now some really good teams like texas and tampa start using this stuff again. even the poster child team of the "walk-walk-HR" approach boston is using it a little again.

          I actually like it. this is no pure small ball but also no pure "big ball approach". I like HRs but I also like speed. so this is a good time to watch.
          I now have my own non commercial blog about training for batspeed and power using my training experience in baseball and track and field.

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          • #6
            As long as the fans and the money keeps flowing in; they'll let the pitchers be more of a factor(Thank goodness). The minute there's a down-turn; it'll be homerun derby again.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
              Why do you hate offense?
              Well his avatar is the Padres logo :clown:
              Rest in Peace Jose Fernandez (1992-2016)

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              • #8
                Two things:

                - Pitchers use and benefit from steroids too. Not as much as hitters, but they certainly benefit.
                - HGH is undetectable, and for all we know there are undetectable steroids out there we don't know about.

                I have no problem believing that steroid use is somewhat less rampant then it was years ago, but I highly doubt the "steroid era" is truly over, nor do I think it will technically ever be over.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
                  Why do you hate offense?
                  In short, baseball's love of the home run has turned the game into glorified softball for too many players. Trends 20 years in the making will eventually have a backlash. We are finally seeing this, on all fronts. IMO, true fans will appreciate it and I have hoped to see this because high scoring can be left to other sports. In baseball, runs are meant to be valuable commodities and when runs occur in bunches, it seems players play poorer defense and pitchers pitch even more carelessly.

                  In other words, over the past two decades I have come to believe that high scoring begets more high scoring, and we may be seeing low scoring beget more low scoring. The game seems cleaner this way.
                  Catfish Hunter, RIP. Mark Fidrych, RIP. Skip Caray, RIP. Tony Gwynn, #19, RIP

                  A fanatic is someone who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. -- Winston Churchill. (Please take note that I've recently become aware of how this quote applies to a certain US president. This is a coincidence, and the quote was first added to this signature too far back to remember when).

                  Experience is the hardest teacher. She gives the test first and the lesson later. -- Dan Quisenberry.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by abolishthedh View Post
                    In short, baseball's love of the home run has turned the game into glorified softball for too many players. Trends 20 years in the making will eventually have a backlash. We are finally seeing this, on all fronts. IMO, true fans will appreciate it and I have hoped to see this because high scoring can be left to other sports. In baseball, runs are meant to be valuable commodities and when runs occur in bunches, it seems players play poorer defense and pitchers pitch even more carelessly.

                    In other words, over the past two decades I have come to believe that high scoring begets more high scoring, and we may be seeing low scoring beget more low scoring. The game seems cleaner this way.
                    I only have one thing to say to that: I feel nothing but frustration and pain if my team can't score a run in a so-called "cleaner" game, like the Braves' opening day 1-0 loss. It was not beautiful, it was not clean. It was awful. I would have loved a dash of that sloppy glorified softball becaue that would have won the game.
                    46 wins to match last year's total

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post
                      I only have one thing to say to that: I feel nothing but frustration and pain if my team can't score a run in a so-called "cleaner" game, like the Braves' opening day 1-0 loss. It was not beautiful, it was not clean. It was awful. I would have loved a dash of that sloppy glorified softball becaue that would have won the game.
                      a high scoring loss is also painfull for your team. I agree that watching a 1-0 loss hurts but so does watching a 8-3 loss.
                      I now have my own non commercial blog about training for batspeed and power using my training experience in baseball and track and field.

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                      • #12
                        I hope so. Nothing like watching a pitchers duel!!
                        My blog - http://sandlotwisdom.blogspot.com/

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                        • #13
                          What is strange to me is that the years '94 to '09, which I consider to be the offensive surge years, produced lower BEST single season ERAs than the decade before or the years since.

                          Here are the best of that period:



                          Maddux 1.56
                          Maddux: 1.63
                          Pedro: 1.74
                          Clemens 1.87
                          Brown: 1.89
                          Pedro: 1.90

                          The NL had 4 straight years with leaders under 2.00 from '94-'97.

                          Since the live ball, no league has had more than 3 straight sub 2.00 leaders, and 3 straight only happened once form '66-'68 in the NL before the mound was dropped.
                          Last edited by brett; 04-06-2012, 04:14 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by dominik View Post
                            a high scoring loss is also painfull for your team. I agree that watching a 1-0 loss hurts but so does watching a 8-3 loss.
                            Knowing it's a long shot to come back makes it easier for me to swallow. Pastornicky hit a triple with one out yesterday when the Braves were down 1-0 in the 7th, and the fate of the game was essentially in the hands of Jose Constanza and that did not make me feel good at all. Of course, Jose played the fool, and that was the last I saw of that game. I couldn't take it anymore. Sure, I would have looked silly if I had given up on them and the team would have won. But that at point, as poor as they had been with RISP, I expected nothing very quickly.
                            46 wins to match last year's total

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by brett View Post
                              What is strange to me is that the years '94 to '09, which I consider to be the offensive surge years, produced lower BEST single season ERAs than the decade before or the years since.

                              Here are the best of that period:



                              Maddux 1.56
                              Maddux: 1.63
                              Pedro: 1.74
                              Clemens 1.87
                              Brown: 1.89
                              Pedro: 1.90

                              The NL had 4 straight years with leaders under 2.00 from '94-'97.

                              Since the live ball, no league has had more than 3 straight sub 2.00 leaders, and 3 straight only happened once form '66-'68 in the NL before the mound was dropped.
                              Agreed, brett, and I have never known what to make of it. Honestly, I do not believe those pitchers were using PEDs.
                              Whoops, just noticed Clemens name in the group. Oh well, I don't believe most of this group was using PEDs.
                              Last edited by abolishthedh; 04-06-2012, 05:51 PM. Reason: clarification, as usual
                              Catfish Hunter, RIP. Mark Fidrych, RIP. Skip Caray, RIP. Tony Gwynn, #19, RIP

                              A fanatic is someone who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. -- Winston Churchill. (Please take note that I've recently become aware of how this quote applies to a certain US president. This is a coincidence, and the quote was first added to this signature too far back to remember when).

                              Experience is the hardest teacher. She gives the test first and the lesson later. -- Dan Quisenberry.

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