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  • #31
    Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post
    I don't think he was misunderstood. The context, according to one ESPN article, is that he was admiring Castro for persevering over the years despite being hated so much. That's something to which he relates.

    Even with that context, it's very, very hard to ignore that he admires a dictator in some way.
    Spanish doesn't translate directly into perfect English grammar and context can be skewed significantly. Guillen himself is very stressed out by the situation and didn't really expect this kind of backlash. I think the whole thing is a huge misunderstanding.

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    • #32
      Off-topic: I understand that Ozzie was introduced as the Marlins manager before te 2011 season ended, so did he manage the few remaining games last year for the Marlins?
      Using a stolen chant from Boston Celtics fans whenever an L.A. team is playing up there just reeks of inferiority complex.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by CokeMachineGlow View Post
        His quote was translated from Spanish to English and there must have been some kind of overlap. You shouldn't be suspended for speaking your mind and being misunderstood.
        "Fidel Castro, he's a bull--dictator and everybody's against him, and he still survives, has power. Still has a country behind him. Everywhere he goes they roll out the red carpet. I don't admire his philosophy. I admire him."

        --Ozzie Guillen, Mens Journal, 2008

        It's hard to buy Ozzie's backtracking when this isn't the first time he's praised Castro in a public article.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by jnakamura View Post
          "Fidel Castro, he's a bull--dictator and everybody's against him, and he still survives, has power. Still has a country behind him. Everywhere he goes they roll out the red carpet. I don't admire his philosophy. I admire him."

          --Ozzie Guillen, Mens Journal, 2008

          It's hard to buy Ozzie's backtracking when this isn't the first time he's praised Castro in a public article.
          Hm, I may be wrong then.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Seattle1 View Post
            Hey Guillen is entitled to his opinion. It's a free country, and there's a thing called the First Amendment (free speech).

            Just think of all this hatred for Castro precipitated one of our own Presidents getting murdered. Because the CIA tried to assassinate Castro, Kennedy left them hanging on the Bay of Pigs and then began working toward eliminating the CIA altogether, which in turn contributed to the internal decision within the CIA to turn around and kill Kennedy themselves!

            All this contempt for some dude with a beard on an island out in the Caribbean.
            Well seeing as how he invited the soviets to deliver nukes to his island that could have hit the continental US and nearly caused a nuclear holocaust, as well as leaves half his country in poverty I think the contempt for him is well founded.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Captain Cold Nose View Post
              No we don't . . .

              No more theories or personal opinions on Cuba and/or political policies, please. As always. Thanks.
              Sorry, I replied before I read this. On the topic, I'm glad he was suspended for 5 games. Truely idiotic to say those comments. Who gives a crap what he thinks, but dumb to alienate his own fan base.
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              • #37
                And teh Soviets did so because we placed nukes in Turkey

                I find it ironic that descendents of the regime ousted by Castro who used power,influence and money to place sanctions and embargoes on Cuba are the ones up in arms. he stated something not so controversial but due to misquotes by our biased,incompetent and lazy mass media....is being persecuted. A tactic Castro used often in the 70's to get rid of dissentors

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Seattle1 View Post
                  Hey Guillen is entitled to his opinion. It's a free country, and there's a thing called the First Amendment (free speech).
                  This is true - but there is a difference between free speech and using that as a crutch to be a jerk... This guy just craves attention!
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Imapotato View Post
                    ....he stated something not so controversial...
                    Baloney.

                    For the manager of MLB team, based in a city made up of 50% Cuban-Americans, saying on not one, but TWO separate occasions, that he loves and admires Fidel Castro and not realizing that that would be a controversial statement is very naive on your part.

                    Ozzie wasn't misquoted. He admitted saying it.

                    There might be room for doubt if this was a one-time occurrence...but it wasn't. He said it in 2008, and said it again in 2012--both times in public, not private conversations. To me, and many others, that seals the deal and proves where his true feelings lie.

                    He's only saying what he's saying now because he HAS to in order to save his job--NOT because he didn't really mean what he said.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by CokeMachineGlow View Post
                      Spanish doesn't translate directly into perfect English grammar and context can be skewed significantly. Guillen himself is very stressed out by the situation and didn't really expect this kind of backlash. I think the whole thing is a huge misunderstanding.

                      THAT is so CORRECT
                      I remember a few years ago when ozzie call one of his players a maricone and loco
                      for spanish speakers that is nothing, it just a way of saying hi or hey bro
                      but if you translate that into american english
                      the first word, you just don't call any man in a 25 men team that
                      and the other word translates into crazy
                      the head lines on the news were that ozzie stated that one of his players
                      was not only crazy, but that he also question the player choice of sexual partners
                      TOTALLLY and COMPLETELY WRONG

                      HECK, even the Queens English sometimes doesn't translate into american english
                      here in nyc a while back
                      a british tourist ask a person that was smoking a cigarette
                      if he could have one.
                      but the tourist use the slang word that they used in england for cigarette
                      the new yorker did not like the word (same translation as maricone above) and beat up the tourist
                      No charges were file as it was a complete misunderstanding
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by drdg View Post
                        THAT is so CORRECT
                        I remember a few years ago when ozzie call one of his players a maricone and loco
                        for spanish speakers that is nothing, it just a way of saying hi or hey bro
                        but if you translate that into american english
                        the first word, you just don't call any man in a 25 men team that
                        and the other word translates into crazy
                        the head lines on the news were that ozzie stated that one of his players
                        was not only crazy, but that he also question the player choice of sexual partners
                        TOTALLLY and COMPLETELY WRONG

                        HECK, even the Queens English sometimes doesn't translate into american english
                        here in nyc a while back
                        a british tourist ask a person that was smoking a cigarette
                        if he could have one.
                        but the tourist use the slang word that they used in england for cigarette
                        the new yorker did not like the word (same tranlation as maricone above) and beat up the tourist
                        No charges were file as it was a complete misunderstanding
                        Apples and oranges.

                        Ozzie's English skills aren't bad enough to "misunderstand" what he said and meant in 2008, and again last month.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by jnakamura View Post
                          Apples and oranges.

                          Ozzie's English skills aren't bad enough to "misunderstand" what he said and meant in 2008, and again last month.
                          Colin Cowherd made that point this morning, as well.

                          The poor English skills might be an acceptable excuse if Guillen had not been working in some capacity in MLB for over a quarter-century.

                          I think what has been "misinterpretted", perhaps, as is common with quoted language regardless of the native speaker is Guillen's take. He is not advocating the Cuban model of government or Castro's tactics but the fact the man has been there 50 years plus. Which is kind of like admiring Hitler for his public-speaking skills.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by jnakamura View Post
                            Baloney.
                            For the manager of MLB team, based in a city made up of 50% Cuban-Americans, saying on not one, but TWO separate occasions, that he loves and admires Fidel Castro and not realizing that that would be a controversial statement is very naive on your part.

                            Ozzie wasn't misquoted. He admitted saying it.
                            There might be room for doubt if this was a one-time occurrence...but it wasn't. He said it in 2008, and said it again in 2012--both times in public, not private conversations. To me, and many others, that seals the deal and proves where his true feelings lie.

                            He's only saying what he's saying now because he HAS to in order to save his job--NOT because he didn't really mean what he said.
                            typical ozzie
                            for talking without thinking
                            maybe,just maybe now he will learn his lesson
                            YES, he did say that what came out of his mouth, was not what he was thinking
                            even stated that he was thinking in spanish,but answered in english
                            but that that was no excuse, and he takes FULL responsibility

                            this is the press conference, man did he take a beating from the cuban/spanish media
                            http://deportes.univision.com/beisbo...dgetUimStage:2
                            in spanish and english from univision

                            and the edited version from mlb
                            http://miami.marlins.mlb.com/video/p...nt_id=20501759

                            he even had to answer as to WHY he said viva chavez,during a photo opp after winning the WS

                            and what is sad is that very latin player no matter where they are from
                            are being ask what they think about what ozzie said
                            it is mass hysteria for sports media in miami
                            can't wait to see what will come out of this or happens
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                            • #44
                              didnt the orioles or some team play in cuba a few years ago and wasnt there a handshake between castro and either the orioles owner and/or selig?

                              why was that not a controversy?

                              a little follow up there was a game in havana in march of 1999 and selig and angelos and castro sat together

                              I guess you can sit with him and play his team but not say anything nice about him

                              weird
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post
                                didnt the orioles or some team play in cuba a few years ago and wasnt there a handshake between castro and either the orioles owner and/or selig?

                                why was that not a controversy?

                                a little follow up there was a game in havana in march of 1999 and selig and angelos and castro sat together

                                I guess you can sit with him and play his team but not say anything nice about him

                                weird
                                Shaking hands with someone out of courtesy is not even close to being in the same boat as saying you love and admire them.

                                This is fine...

                                obama-gaddafi-handshake-091709-lg.jpg

                                Obama saying, "I love the guy! I admire Khaddafi", would be grounds for impeachment.

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