Do you see the career leaderboards like this?

[Imapotato]

CAREER

Rank Player Home runs

1. Hank Aaron 755
2. Babe Ruth 714
3. Willie Mays 660
4. Frank Robinson 586
5. Harmon Killebrew 573
6. Reggie Jackson 563
7. Mike Schmidt 548
8. Mickey Mantle 536
9. Jimmie Foxx+ 534
10. Willie McCovey 521


SINGLE SEASON

RANK PLAYER Home Runs
1. Roger Maris (26) 61
2. Babe Ruth+ (32) 60
3. Babe Ruth+ (26) 59
4. Jimmie Foxx+ (24) 58
5. Hank Greenberg+ (27) 58
6. Ryan Howard (26) 58
7. Hack Wilson+ (30) 56
8. Jose Bautista (29) 54
8. Ralph Kiner+ (26) 54
8. Mickey Mantle+ (29) 54
8. David Ortiz 54
8. Babe Ruth TWICE 54


Or is it just me?

[chicagowhitesox1173]

I think Thome, Thomas and Griffey and maybe a few others should be in there but I look at the single season record as 61 still.

[Seattle1]

I'm with you Imapotato, but I do agree with chicagowhitesox1173 that Griffey needs to be included. If it ever came to light that Griffey juiced I would eat my hat. He didn't even really like to lift. He was just a natch talent. Anyone who doesn't believe me, just click on my sig.

[fenrir]

I don't understand why the OP would leave off Griffey, Thomas, or Thome. There's no proof any of them cheated. On the other hand, David Ortiz did test positive.

[Nerdlinger]

I am aware of the OP's intent, but the first list could just be a list of the top 10 career HR leaders as of anywhere from 1989-1998. Although Ted Williams, who's tied with McCovey for 10th, is missing.

[bluesky5]

There is nothing I ever heard on Griffey, Thome or Thomas.

[leecemark]

--Reality can be a drag some times, but I try to deal with it anyway. So no, I don't pretend the last 20 years didn't happen.

[chicagowhitesox1173]

When Mike Schmidt hit his 500th that seemed like a really big deal to me. When Thome, Griffey and Thomas hit 500 it was almost like no big deal and it's not fair to those three but I guess I can see what the OP means. The last 20 years too me really made even clean players look like 500 was no big deal.

I'm hoping now that baseball is clean again 500 will mean something again (hopefuly it's clean)

I seriously doubt many Cub fans remeber what they were doing when Sosa hit his 500th. With Ernie Banks I can guarantee most remember that day.

[Imapotato]

Well I stopped at McCovey but even w/o the steroids, there is evidence that MLB itself doctored the ball to travel farther

As for Thomas and Thome...I am almost certain they were clean...in fact Thomas stated to test him

As for Griffey...used to work out with Bonds...had many hamstring injuries later. A big red flag with steroids are tendon injuries

Don't place a halo over Griffey Jr. His biggest knock on his great scouting report was that he tries to get by on his talent rather than hard work

[Imapotato]

Well I stopped at McCovey but even w/o the steroids, there is evidence that MLB itself doctored the ball to travel farther

As for Thomas and Thome...I am almost certain they were clean...in fact Thomas stated to test him

As for Griffey...used to work out with Bonds...had many hamstring injuries later. A big red flag with steroids are tendon injuries

Don't place a halo over Griffey Jr. His biggest knock on his great scouting report was that he tries to get by on his talent rather than hard work

[fenrir]

Well I stopped at McCovey but even w/o the steroids, there is evidence that MLB itself doctored the ball to travel farther

As for Thomas and Thome...I am almost certain they were clean...in fact Thomas stated to test him

As for Griffey...used to work out with Bonds...had many hamstring injuries later. A big red flag with steroids are tendon injuries

Don't place a halo over Griffey Jr. His biggest knock on his great scouting report was that he tries to get by on his talent rather than hard work

I'm not saying Griffey didn't juice, but I don't think it's fair to accuse him of cheating just because he worked out with Bonds or had injuries. There should be more proof than that.

[Rich the Giants fan]

Well I stopped at McCovey but even w/o the steroids, there is evidence that MLB itself doctored the ball to travel farther

As for Thomas and Thome...I am almost certain they were clean...in fact Thomas stated to test him

As for Griffey...used to work out with Bonds...had many hamstring injuries later. A big red flag with steroids are tendon injuries

Don't place a halo over Griffey Jr. His biggest knock on his great scouting report was that he tries to get by on his talent rather than hard work

Yes, and they also conspired to move the fences in and build smaller ballparks.

[Cowtipper]

I don't know why people insist on putting players from the 50s through 70s on a pedestal, trying to maintain that they were perfectly clean and never did anything to cheat. Probably they don't want to have their rose-colored childhood memories tarnished. But seriously, steroids have been around since the 1930s and it would be foolish to think some intrepid ballplayers weren't trying them out back then.

[fenrir]

I don't know why people insist on putting players from the 50s through 70s guys on a pedestal, trying to maintain that they were perfectly clean and never did anything to cheat. Probably they don't want to have their rose-colored childhood memories tarnished. But seriously, steroids have been around since the 1930s and it would be foolish to think some intrepid ballplayers weren't trying them out back then.

The problem is we have no proof. Did players from the 70's use steroids? I wouldn't be shocked. Tom House did after all. That said, I can't assume anyone else used but Tom House because I don't have any proof that other players used steroids.

[Cowtipper]

We don't have proof that most the players that the steroid reactionaries on this board claim did steroids actually did them, either, outside of flimsy circumstantial evidence and pure conjecture. Just look at how they're discussing Ken Griffey, Jr. above.