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  • What if Chipper goes .300/30/100+

    Does Chipper still retire if he continues to have a great season, particularly if he hits around 30 home runs and ends up within 15 or so of 500, and if he leaves his average enough buffer to likely keep it over .300? Does he have to give back all those gifts? Going into the season he could only afford 2 years at about .270, or a little lower but if he goes .285-.290 this year he could probably sustain a sub .250 year the next.

  • #2
    Originally posted by brett View Post
    and if he leaves his average enough buffer to likely keep it over .300?
    I wonder if he cares about his lifetime .400+ OBP....
    The .400 OBP is more in danger than his .300 from pulling a Mantle...

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    • #3
      I think he would still retire. And that is because while he is putting up those home run and RBI numbers, he is barely playing. His body is worn out. I don't see him going back on his word.
      Chop! Chop! Chop!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Joltin' Joe View Post
        I wonder if he cares about his lifetime .400+ OBP....
        The .400 OBP is more in danger than his .300 from pulling a Mantle...
        I wonder if he even knows his OBP.

        I think he will retire anyway. going out on a high will even increase his legacy and give him a couple more votes then if he goes out with a .250 season.
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        • #5
          Chipper isn't Brett Favre. He knows his reputation would be tarnished if everyone gave him farewell stuff and then he says, "Ooopsie, nevermind, I'll come back!"
          46 wins to match last year's total

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          • #6
            Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post
            Chipper isn't Brett Favre. He knows his reputation would be tarnished if everyone gave him farewell stuff and then he says, "Ooopsie, nevermind, I'll come back!"


            Might he feel that he owes Atlanta fans his best shot at 500 HRs though (or that not trying would also tarnish his reputation).

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            • #7
              Originally posted by brett View Post
              Does Chipper still retire if he continues to have a great season, particularly if he hits around 30 home runs and ends up within 15 or so of 500, and if he leaves his average enough buffer to likely keep it over .300? Does he have to give back all those gifts? Going into the season he could only afford 2 years at about .270, or a little lower but if he goes .285-.290 this year he could probably sustain a sub .250 year the next.
              Brett, how many players in history have played 19 years or more and never had one bad (or even below average) year?

              Chipper's OPS+ has been 116 or better since 1995, his second year. Hw many people have been THAT consistent?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Joltin' Joe View Post
                I wonder if he cares about his lifetime .400+ OBP....
                The .400 OBP is more in danger than his .300 from pulling a Mantle...
                I read/heard Chipper a couple times in interviews that his goal, year in and year out, is to score 100 and drive in 100. Accounting for 200 runs for his team in that way was the most meaningful thing to him, at least it was in his prime. Constant nagging injuries (and a couple major ones) have kept him from that every year except one in the last decade...

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                • #9
                  I don't see him pulling a Pettitte. Chipper seems like an honest person.
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                  2. Barry Bonds
                  3. Ty Cobb
                  4. Ted Williams
                  5. Willie Mays
                  6. Alex Rodriguez
                  7. Hank Aaron
                  8. Honus Wagner
                  9. Lou Gehrig
                  10. Mickey Mantle

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
                    Chipper seems like an honest person.
                    Tell that to his first wife.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by brett View Post
                      Might he feel that he owes Atlanta fans his best shot at 500 HRs though (or that not trying would also tarnish his reputation).
                      No, he wouldn't. One, he doesn't owe them jack squat and two, I don't think his body can hold up for 500 home runs.
                      46 wins to match last year's total

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                      • #12
                        I don't see Chipper going back on his decision to retire. It just appears that he's had his fill of playing through pain and injuries.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
                          I don't see him pulling a Pettitte. Chipper seems like an honest person.
                          I don't understand the fan mentality of feeling slighted by a player that goes back on a decision to retire.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by csh19792001 View Post
                            Brett, how many players in history have played 19 years or more and never had one bad (or even below average) year?

                            Chipper's OPS+ has been 116 or better since 1995, his second year. Hw many people have been THAT consistent?
                            Musial had 22 seasons (and a lost war year) with a 101 OPS+ or better. He also had non-negative WAR in all 22 seasons (0 or better). he was at 0 with a 101 OPS+ in 1959.

                            George Brett had 19 straight positive WAR seasons and 18 straight 100+ OPS+ seasons but he was DHing at the end.

                            Ruth had 21 straight years with better than 3 WAR. 2 WAR or a full 154 games of play would be average.

                            Mantle had a 117 OPS+ for all 18 years and was over 137 for 17 straight and retired off a 143 season. Relatively speaking he should have kept playing but absolute league averages may have embarrassed him.

                            Without a big slump Jones will put up his 18th straight 2+ war season meaning he was a better than average player in all of those years.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Joe33 View Post
                              I don't understand the fan mentality of feeling slighted by a player that goes back on a decision to retire.
                              Right. People change their minds about their job status all the time. Now, Favre/Jordan levels can get a little excessive, but generally speaking...who cares.
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