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What if Chipper goes .300/30/100+

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  • #16
    Originally posted by brett View Post
    Musial had 22 seasons (and a lost war year) with a 101 OPS+ or better. He also had non-negative WAR in all 22 seasons (0 or better). he was at 0 with a 101 OPS+ in 1959.

    George Brett had 19 straight positive WAR seasons and 18 straight 100+ OPS+ seasons but he was DHing at the end.

    Ruth had 21 straight years with better than 3 WAR. 2 WAR or a full 154 games of play would be average.

    Mantle had a 117 OPS+ for all 18 years and was over 137 for 17 straight and retired off a 143 season. Relatively speaking he should have kept playing but absolute league averages may have embarrassed him.

    Without a big slump Jones will put up his 18th straight 2+ war season meaning he was a better than average player in all of those years.
    Greg Maddux had 21 straight + seasons.
    Tom Glavine had 18 straight 2+ seasons (20 straight + seasons).
    Warren Spahn had 18 straight 2.5+ seasons.
    Walter Johnson missed out on 20 straight 3+ WAR seasons by .1 WAR in 1920.
    Cy Young was 6+ WAR for 15 straight years
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Matthew C. View Post
      Right. People change their minds about their job status all the time. Now, Favre/Jordan levels can get a little excessive, but generally speaking...who cares.


      I wouldn't have a problem with it. I think the problem is with announcing the retirement tour to begin with.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Joe33 View Post
        I don't understand the fan mentality of feeling slighted by a player that goes back on a decision to retire.
        I don't feel slighted. It's just annoying to hear about how they are quitting because they so badly want to "spend time with the family" and then they come back a few months later. What, is family no longer important to you? Same goes for Favre, Urban Meyer, etc..

        Especially in cases like Clemens, where he did his farewell tour, collected his awards and accolades etc... and then came back the next season as if nothing happened.
        My top 10 players:

        1. Babe Ruth
        2. Barry Bonds
        3. Ty Cobb
        4. Ted Williams
        5. Willie Mays
        6. Alex Rodriguez
        7. Hank Aaron
        8. Honus Wagner
        9. Lou Gehrig
        10. Mickey Mantle

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        • #19
          Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
          I don't feel slighted. It's just annoying to hear about how they are quitting because they so badly want to "spend time with the family" and then they come back a few months later. What, is family no longer important to you? Same goes for Favre, Urban Meyer, etc..

          Especially in cases like Clemens, where he did his farewell tour, collected his awards and accolades etc... and then came back the next season as if nothing happened.
          I hope we get to play OSU Soon and beat the living tar out of them (I am a Florida Gators Fan)
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          A good head and a good heart are always a formidable combination. -Nelson Mandela

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          • #20
            For Chipper to play through 2013, hit 500 home runs, while maintaining a lifetime .300 average would be ideal for his fans and would be a great waY TO GO OUT. But if he reaches those goals then he'd probably finish the '13 season with around 2,900 hits and then there would be the temptation to come back to reach 3,000 hits....and holding off retirement to reach statistical goals is never going to stop.
            That's why this season will probably be his last. Even failing to reach 500 home runs and 3,000 hits his place in Cooperstown is already assured.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by brett View Post
              I wouldn't have a problem with it. I think the problem is with announcing the retirement tour to begin with.
              Right - if a player makes a huge public spectacle about it (or holds an entire organization hostage in terms of making important decisions i.e. Favre) that is a different story.
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              • #22
                Oopsie- double post!!!
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
                  Especially in cases like Clemens, where he did his farewell tour, collected his awards and accolades etc... and then came back the next season as if nothing happened.
                  It was his tribute to George Costanza.
                  "It's like watching a Western. It's slow, so you can watch the chess moves. Nothing seems to happen, but when it goes down, it goes down big." - Howard Bryant

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
                    I don't feel slighted. It's just annoying to hear about how they are quitting because they so badly want to "spend time with the family" and then they come back a few months later. What, is family no longer important to you? Same goes for Favre, Urban Meyer, etc..

                    Especially in cases like Clemens, where he did his farewell tour, collected his awards and accolades etc... and then came back the next season as if nothing happened.
                    In a perfect world, he should have returned all the gifts and awards, just as Kim Kardashian should return all the wedding presents. Of course in a perfect world, she wouldn't be famous for being famous.
                    Shalom, y'all!
                    What's the rumpus?

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                    • #25
                      I love the quote from Chipper after Moyer accused him of stealing signs:

                      "I mean, dude, we don't need signs, especially for him. I mean, my goodness, every pitch is 78. Come on."

                      And:

                      "You question our integrity, that's wrong," Jones said. "I've never accused him of doctoring a baseball. I've never accused him of over-milligraming, nothing. That's [garbage] and he woke us up. I didn't see any signs on the 900-foot homers that were hit."

                      What is over-milligraming? I'm really going to miss Chipper when he retires.
                      Last edited by Joe33; 05-08-2012, 01:15 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by brett View Post
                        Might he feel that he owes Atlanta fans his best shot at 500 HRs though (or that not trying would also tarnish his reputation).
                        Unless he wanted to go past Matthews on the all-time Braves list (a historic way to go to pass the all-time Brave franchise leader of course), I don't see why 500 would be all that big of a deal.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Matthew C. View Post
                          Right - if a player makes a huge public spectacle about it (or holds an entire organization hostage in terms of making important decisions i.e. Favre) that is a different story.
                          Pretty much. It's one thing if you put on the big show and give reasons about family time and whatnot, and then you just get that itch again.

                          BTW, speaking of which, refresh my memory, when Ryne Sandberg quit the first time, was it during the offseason or was there time for the Cubs to do a farewell bit with him?

                          It's amusing as I'm reminded of him with what everyone is saying because there are two USA Today Baseball Weekly (remember that newspaper/magazine?) issues with Sandberg on the cover.

                          First one, titled "Why Ryno Retired" shows Sandberg at home with his kids and wife from his first marriage.

                          And the second one as Sandberg was coming out of that retirement titled "Why Ryno Is Returning" featuring Sandberg pictured with his new wife.

                          Things happen I guess.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by SteveJRogers View Post
                            First one, titled "Why Ryno Retired" shows Sandberg at home with his kids and wife from his first marriage.

                            And the second one as Sandberg was coming out of that retirement titled "Why Ryno Is Returning" featuring Sandberg pictured with his new wife.

                            Things happen I guess.
                            Great stuff.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Joe33 View Post
                              I love the quote from Chipper after Moyer accused him of stealing signs:

                              "I mean, dude, we don't need signs, especially for him. I mean, my goodness, every pitch is 78. Come on."

                              And:

                              "You question our integrity, that's wrong," Jones said. "I've never accused him of doctoring a baseball. I've never accused him of over-milligraming, nothing. That's [garbage] and he woke us up. I didn't see any signs on the 900-foot homers that were hit."

                              What is over-milligraming? I'm really going to miss Chipper when he retires.
                              So many good quotes after that game, lol.
                              Chop! Chop! Chop!

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Joe33 View Post
                                I love the quote from Chipper after Moyer accused him of stealing signs:
                                What a (blanking) whiner Moyer is. Always has been, too. If he's and his catcher are slow/dumb enough to tip his pitches or allow signs to be stolen, he deserves to be exploited. It's part of the game of wits.

                                Eddie Collins was known to be the one of the best at stealing signs of anyone who ever played, and one of the greatest baseball minds, period. My favorite Collins anecdote- when he was traded to the White Sox from the A's in 1915, during spring training one of the White Sox coaches told Collins he was going to run through the signs with him.

                                Collins quipped: "Don't bother; I already know them."

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