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  • #16
    Originally posted by Blackout View Post
    Pedro wasn't a veteran when he went there

    he was still rather young
    Yes, he was a veteran. Pedro was 65-36 W-L, 3.00 ERA, 140 ERA+, 912.1 IP when he arrived in Boston in 1998.
    Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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    • #17
      Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
      Something about Boston. Every veteran who goes there for big money becomes a fat lazy oaf.

      See...

      Beckett
      Crawford
      Lackey
      Adrian Gonzalez

      Etc....
      Couldn't you cherry-pick a similar list for NY?

      Mark Teixeira

      Kevin Brown

      AJ Burnett

      Or do those guys get a pass because they're not "roid heads"?

      Oh...wait.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Mike D. View Post
        Couldn't you cherry-pick a similar list for NY?

        Mark Teixeira

        Kevin Brown

        AJ Burnett

        Or do those guys get a pass because they're not "roid heads"?

        Oh...wait.
        Lol.... Thats great
        All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. -Unknown

        A good head and a good heart are always a formidable combination. -Nelson Mandela

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Mike D. View Post
          Couldn't you cherry-pick a similar list for NY?
          Absolutely.
          My top 10 players:

          1. Babe Ruth
          2. Barry Bonds
          3. Ty Cobb
          4. Ted Williams
          5. Willie Mays
          6. Alex Rodriguez
          7. Hank Aaron
          8. Honus Wagner
          9. Lou Gehrig
          10. Mickey Mantle

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          • #20
            Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
            Absolutely.
            Then what's something that NY and Boston share that we can blame it on? Amtrak?
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Mike D. View Post
              Then what's something that NY and Boston share that we can blame it on? Amtrak?
              Let's go with Mike Bloomberg.
              My top 10 players:

              1. Babe Ruth
              2. Barry Bonds
              3. Ty Cobb
              4. Ted Williams
              5. Willie Mays
              6. Alex Rodriguez
              7. Hank Aaron
              8. Honus Wagner
              9. Lou Gehrig
              10. Mickey Mantle

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              • #22
                Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
                Something about Boston. Every veteran who goes there for big money becomes a fat lazy oaf.

                See...

                Beckett
                Crawford
                Lackey
                Adrian Gonzalez

                Etc....
                John Lackey was a fat lazy oaf before he came to Boston.

                Anyway...

                Why Adrian Gonzalez's power has just disappear is a mystery to me. It's not even being heavily focus on in Boston either and even with the team doing fine, he's not even being booed at Fenway, at least from what I notice. Honestly, no clue what's going on with Gonzalez since he's not that old, he's not really suffering from the Boston pressure that Crawford was getting a load of last year. His power just disappeared all of a sudden. I would blame all the shifting in position, but this problem has been occurring since second half of 2011, so I won't even use that as a reasoning. I'm not ready to call him washed up, but I am concerned.

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                • #23
                  I want to know what Mayor Menino thinks of the struggles of Aaron Gonzalez since moving to Boston.
                  Using a stolen chant from Boston Celtics fans whenever an L.A. team is playing up there just reeks of inferiority complex.

                  If hitting a baseball is the toughest thing to do in sports, then pitching must be the easiest thing to do in sports.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Zito75 View Post
                    He's an underachiever... He's regressed since peaking in 2007. Another product of fat contracts and no incentive to play hard...
                    That's the thing that disgusts me about this team. They make their people comfortable, and then are surprised when they don't strive.

                    NEVER make a ballplayer comfortable. EVER. ALWAYS give them something to fight for.

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                    • #25
                      Gonzalez not fat or lazy, just not good now

                      Originally posted by JR Hart View Post
                      Is he done? He's god awful. His slugging is almost below .400. What happened? Has he just had it?
                      Gonzalez is not fat or lazy, he just is struggling. Sometimes players do that. I know we expect 30-40 HR's and a .320 batting average, but don't be surprised if you end up with something more like 25 and bat .285. It happens, trust me, Adam Dunn knows it does, or how about Adrian Beltre, ask Cal Ripken, it happened to him about 5 times. Sometimes you just don't have it and it's a season long struggle. Kirby Puckett batted .339 in 1989. In 1990 he was in the low .280's until August when he went on a tear and ended up at .298, 20 points below what became is career average. It just happens and Gonzalez is having it just happen. In 1971, Hank Aaron batted .265 with 34 HR's and 77 RBI's, sounds good right, but not considering the year before batted .327 with 47 HR's and 118 RBI's. I wonder how many people said he didn't have it anymore.

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                      • #26
                        Are players not allowed to slump anymore? David Ortiz struggles and he's declared (prematurely) done. Albert Pujols slumps and is declared (prematurely) done. Now Adrian Gonzalez is done? At 30? I don't think so.
                        San Francisco Giants, World Series Champions in 2010, 2012, and 2014!!!

                        "Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts" ~ Albert Einstein

                        "Royals wear crowns, but Champions Kiss the Ring" ~ Jeremy Affeldt

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Rich the Giants fan View Post
                          Are players not allowed to slump anymore? David Ortiz struggles and he's declared (prematurely) done. Albert Pujols slumps and is declared (prematurely) done. Now Adrian Gonzalez is done? At 30? I don't think so.
                          Ortiz is a steroid abuser. Let's not use him as an example.
                          My top 10 players:

                          1. Babe Ruth
                          2. Barry Bonds
                          3. Ty Cobb
                          4. Ted Williams
                          5. Willie Mays
                          6. Alex Rodriguez
                          7. Hank Aaron
                          8. Honus Wagner
                          9. Lou Gehrig
                          10. Mickey Mantle

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Cap78 View Post
                            The fact that he may not know where he is playing from day to day may play some mental part...yes I realize there are numerous players playing numerous positions, but Gonzalez does not normally play outfield, and he is a very good defensive first baseman...plus, lots of turmoil with the team this year and some spilled from end of last year that is probably distracting as well...I will call it the Bobby Valentine Effect
                            He's played 18 games in the OF, mostly in Interleague play in order to get Big Papi's bat in the lineup (you know, the Red Sox player that was declared dead and gone a couple of years ago), and 72 at first base.
                            San Francisco Giants, World Series Champions in 2010, 2012, and 2014!!!

                            "Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts" ~ Albert Einstein

                            "Royals wear crowns, but Champions Kiss the Ring" ~ Jeremy Affeldt

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
                              Ortiz is a steroid abuser. Let's not use him as an example.
                              If I can't used steroid users, then I have very few examples left.
                              San Francisco Giants, World Series Champions in 2010, 2012, and 2014!!!

                              "Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts" ~ Albert Einstein

                              "Royals wear crowns, but Champions Kiss the Ring" ~ Jeremy Affeldt

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