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  • Joel peralta ejected for having pine tar in/on glove.....?

    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?co...y_22424691&v=3

    I didn't get to see the game as i was busy with some family stuff and i got home and turned on mlb tonight and they were talking about it and i was perplexed as i have never heard about this before. And i am wondering how the Nats manager knew because peralta used to pitch for the nats and wondering if thats how he knew. But the MLB tonight crew were talking about it and said its a useless rule as it doesn't change anything with ball terjectory and such just helps you grip better just like the ression bags behind the mound. Just kind of surprised/Perplexed by this.
    Last edited by RaysFan_98; 06-19-2012, 09:20 PM.
    All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. -Unknown

    A good head and a good heart are always a formidable combination. -Nelson Mandela

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    Davy did the same thing to Jay Howell in '88.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by RaysFan_98 View Post
      http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?co...y_22424691&v=3

      I didn't get to see the game as i was busy with some family stuff and i got home and turned on mlb tonight and they were talking about it and i was perplexed as i have never heard about this before. And i am wondering how the Nats manager knew because peralta used to pitch for the nats and wondering if thats how he knew. But the MLB tonight crew were talking about it and said its a useless rule as it doesn't change anything with ball terjectory and such just helps you grip better just like the ression bags behind the mound. Just kind of surprised/Perplexed by this.
      A difference between rosin bag and pine tar. Rosin bag used to absorb moisture give the pitcher a better grip on the ball.
      Pine tar has a more adhesive quality, improve grip.

      You don't have to wet a ball to make it react. You can also rough up one side and have the other side smooth.
      Or use pine tar on the thumb only increasing the downward spin on the ball.
      Not saying that was the case, maybe it was not but the ump had no choice.

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      • #4
        Davy kind of outed himself though he is alright when peralta does it with him while pitching with the nats but all of a sudden rats him out.
        All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. -Unknown

        A good head and a good heart are always a formidable combination. -Nelson Mandela

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        • #5
          Originally posted by SHOELESSJOE3 View Post
          A difference between rosin bag and pine tar. Rosin bag used to absorb moisture give the pitcher a better grip on the ball.
          Pine tar has a more adhesive quality, improve grip.

          You don't have to wet a ball to make it react. You can also rough up one side and have the other side smooth.
          Or use pine tar on the thumb only increasing the downward spin on the ball.
          Not saying that was the case, maybe it was not but the ump had no choice.
          I know and i understand it just never seen this before.
          All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. -Unknown

          A good head and a good heart are always a formidable combination. -Nelson Mandela

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          • #6
            These things happen when guys go to new teams. Albert Belle and his corked bat, for example. Teammates know if you're taking shortcuts and they're going to blow the whistle on you as soon as you start helping to beat them.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by RaysFan_98 View Post
              Davy kind of outed himself though he is alright when peralta does it with him while pitching with the nats but all of a sudden rats him out.
              Originally posted by Los Bravos View Post
              These things happen when guys go to new teams. Albert Belle and his corked bat, for example. Teammates know if you're taking shortcuts and they're going to blow the whistle on you as soon as you start helping to beat them.
              As we old-timers say, "that's baseball".
              They call me Mr. Baseball. Not because of my love for the game; because of all the stitches in my head.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by RaysFan_98 View Post
                Davy kind of outed himself though he is alright when peralta does it with him while pitching with the nats but all of a sudden rats him out.

                Well and did you see that Maddon had the Nationals' pitcher's glove checked right away that next half inning? And yes I'm sure if the Nationals pitchers were using pine tar on their gloves that they keep "clean" gloves for that specific time..
                Mike Hopper
                Former Gateway Grizzlies Intern

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RaysFan_98 View Post
                  I know and i understand it just never seen this before.
                  OK Ray, just pointing out the difference.

                  And Again, we don't even know if that was his intent.
                  Also, why even do it if Johnson was aware that he did use it in the past.

                  My question would now be to Johnson, why did he use it when with you. Of course Johnson not obligated to give an answer.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by RaysFan_98 View Post
                    But the MLB tonight crew were talking about it and said its a useless rule as it doesn't change anything with ball terjectory and such just helps you grip better just like the ression bags behind the mound. Just kind of surprised/Perplexed by this.
                    If Peralta put the pine tar on his glove on purpose, then apparently he thinks it gives him an advantage, or else he wouldn't do it.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bulldog19 View Post
                      Well and did you see that Maddon had the Nationals' pitcher's glove checked right away that next half inning? And yes I'm sure if the Nationals pitchers were using pine tar on their gloves that they keep "clean" gloves for that specific time..
                      It wasn't on his glove it was inside his Glove

                      Originally posted by SHOELESSJOE3 View Post
                      OK Ray, just pointing out the difference.

                      And Again, we don't even know if that was his intent.
                      Also, why even do it if Johnson was aware that he did use it in the past.

                      My question would now be to Johnson, why did he use it when with you. Of course Johnson not obligated to give an answer.
                      Same i would like to know why it was ok when he was with you but now its not ok when he is on the other team?
                      All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. -Unknown

                      A good head and a good heart are always a formidable combination. -Nelson Mandela

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ol' aches and pains View Post
                        As we old-timers say, "that's baseball".
                        Cole "Old School" Hamels agrees with you.
                        "I can see how he won twenty-five games. What I don't understand is how he lost five." - Yogi Berra on Sandy Koufax's 1963 season.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by RaysFan_98 View Post
                          It wasn't on his glove it was inside his Glove

                          Umm.. picky much? Because although it might have been "inside his glove" was it not on the inside surface of the glove? Mean on the glove?
                          Mike Hopper
                          Former Gateway Grizzlies Intern

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by RaysFan_98 View Post
                            It wasn't on his glove it was inside his Glove



                            Same i would like to know why it was ok when he was with you but now its not ok when he is on the other team?
                            1st point - INSIDE the glove is more sinister... It's hidden and less likely to be caught. On the second point... Are you joking or are you seriously asking?
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                            • #15
                              The check found "a significant amount of pine tar," according to crew chief Tim Tschida.

                              Clearly Johnson used his prior knowledge of Peralta in this case, as evidenced by Joe Maddon's reaction. "Insider trading, man. It's bush," Maddon said. "It's bogus. That's way too easy, right there." And here is a quote from Johnson, "If somebody has been known to use a foreign substance on their glove or their hat, a nice hot night is the time to use it, so I asked them to check and obviously he had it," Johnson said. "It was a rumor that he liked a little pine tar."

                              And obviously this is something that is done regularly in baseball, as evidenced by this from ESPN.com: Maddon didn't deny there was pine tar on Peralta's glove, but he termed it a "common practice."

                              "Joel is using pine tar and had pine tar in his glove," Maddon said. "I'm saying to suggest he's the only one that's doing it is inappropriate."

                              However, common or not, it is against the rules and helps give the pitcher a better grip on the ball, which could lead to a tighter spin and bigger breaking ball/more movement.

                              Peralta broke the rules and got called on it. At least he acknowledged it, accepted it and moved on: As the reliever walked off the field, he tipped his cap to the Nationals dugout.

                              "Good for them," Peralta said. "They still lose the game."
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