How Many Have this team ranked #4 in baseball ?

[9RoyHobbsRF]

Accoridng to SI.com, The Boston Red Sox are 4th in the ML power rankings

for the most part of this season, they have been at least 4th, if not 5th in their own division

there are currently 6 teams in the AL with equal or better records than the Red Sox and 7 in the NL with equal or better records than the Red Sox

laughable

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/baseball/mlb/07/02/fangraphs-power-rankings-week-12/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t13_a0

[GiambiJuice]

Try reading the article:

Rankings written by the staff of Fangraphs. The system used to rank the teams is based not on the current standings or a gut feeling about team quality, but on how well they've performed at the underlying traits that predict future performance better than wins and losses.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1zZdHR4xb

[SamtheBravesFan]

In other words, Boston is 4th because they are expected, based on statistical results, to do better. Nothing wrong with that; it just says they have the potential to turn things around very soon.

On Whatifsports.com, the Red Sox are second in their power rankings, based on their simulator. Either two studies (essentially what they are) got the same thing GROSSLY wrong, or this team should have a much better record soon.

[ipitch]

for the most part of this season, they have been at least 4th, if not 5th in their own division

What's the difference where they were? Right now, they're a half-game out of 2nd (in the tough AL East), and they have the 4th best run differential in MLB.

[9RoyHobbsRF]

they are 17-6 in blowouts meaning they have guys add on to 10-2 scores with meaningless home runs but are 9-10 in 1 run games and 1-5 in extra inning games meaning they are not built to win close games

that is why the numbers are skewed

compare that to the Rays who are 8-10 in blowouts but 15-11 in one run games and 2-2 in extra inning games

or the giants who are 9-7 in blowouts but 17-12 in 1 run games and 4-1 in exyra innings games

I would rather win 3-2 than win 13-2 and then be so poor in close games

[ipitch]

they are 17-6 in blowouts meaning they have guys add on to 10-2 scores with meaningless home runs but are 9-10 in 1 run games and 1-5 in extra inning games meaning they are not built to win close games

No, that simply means that's what they've done in the past. It doesn't mean they will do so in the future. On May 1, would you have said that the 8-15 LA Angels were not built to win games? They're 37-20 since then.

[GiambiJuice]

they are 17-6 in blowouts meaning they have guys add on to 10-2 scores with meaningless home runs but are 9-10 in 1 run games and 1-5 in extra inning games meaning they are not built to win close games

that is why the numbers are skewed

compare that to the Rays who are 8-10 in blowouts but 15-11 in one run games and 2-2 in extra inning games

or the giants who are 9-7 in blowouts but 17-12 in 1 run games and 4-1 in exyra innings games

I would rather win 3-2 than win 13-2 and then be so poor in close games

So the Rays are better because they get blown out more often. Makes sense. :noidea

[9RoyHobbsRF]

^ no you miss the point

the blowout games skew the red sox stats and get them ranked way higher than they deserve

a 2-1 win and a 10-1 win both account for just one win

that's why in non blowout games the red sox are 25-32 and the rays are 34-28

[UnderPressure]

How about the Giants last year? They were 10 games over .500 yet they were -8 in run differential. That's the epitome of overachieving.

[GiambiJuice]

^ no you miss the point

the blowout games skew the red sox stats and get them ranked way higher than they deserve

a 2-1 win and a 10-1 win both account for just one win

that's why in non blowout games the red sox are 25-32 and the rays are 34-28

The distribution of runs throughout the season is pretty random. Their Pythagorean record is currently 10 games over .500. If you are going for the "Red Sox aren't clutch" argument, I'm not going to touch that one. The "clutch" nonsense has been disproven so many times it's not even worth discussing anymore.

P.S. I can't believe I'm actually defending the Red Sox, whom I despise.

[Dude Paskert]

I think they're going to keep having a poor record in close games as long as Aceves keeps getting the ball in key situations.
I understood not signing Paps, but they sure haven't found a replacement for him yet.

[dominik]

they are 17-6 in blowouts meaning they have guys add on to 10-2 scores with meaningless home runs but are 9-10 in 1 run games and 1-5 in extra inning games meaning they are not built to win close games

that is why the numbers are skewed

compare that to the Rays who are 8-10 in blowouts but 15-11 in one run games and 2-2 in extra inning games

or the giants who are 9-7 in blowouts but 17-12 in 1 run games and 4-1 in exyra innings games

I would rather win 3-2 than win 13-2 and then be so poor in close games

Isn't winning a lot of close games mainly luck? If a team is .700 in one run games I would say this is not sustainable while if they are .550 I would say this is about right.

That being said I don't think the red sox are currently 4th. but only because they have so many injuries. they have about 5 AS caliber players on the DL which team can suffer this and still play above .500?


Hard to rank right now but I would say the top5 teams all play in the AL. a lot of good teams there best I think are yankees and rangers.

[GiambiJuice]

I think they're going to keep having a poor record in close games as long as Aceves keeps getting the ball in key situations.
I understood not signing Paps, but they sure haven't found a replacement for him yet.

Aceves has actually had a very good season. The 4.17 ERA isn't great, but it's skewed by one terrible outing against NYY in April. If you remove that one outing, his ERA is 3.08 and his WHIP is 0.976, with 19 saves in 21 opportunities. Even including the one bad game, his K:BB is better than 3:1. He's been one of the main reasons that the Red Sox are still in the playoff hunt.

[Blackout]

who takes these websites seriously??

[chicagowhitesox1173]

Whenever I look at em I see the Whitesox ranked between 11-15. I havent looked in awhile though.