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  • How Many Have this team ranked #4 in baseball ?

    Accoridng to SI.com, The Boston Red Sox are 4th in the ML power rankings

    for the most part of this season, they have been at least 4th, if not 5th in their own division

    there are currently 6 teams in the AL with equal or better records than the Red Sox and 7 in the NL with equal or better records than the Red Sox

    laughable

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...&sct=hp_t13_a0
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  • #2
    Try reading the article:

    Rankings written by the staff of Fangraphs. The system used to rank the teams is based not on the current standings or a gut feeling about team quality, but on how well they've performed at the underlying traits that predict future performance better than wins and losses.


    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1zZdHR4xb
    My top 10 players:

    1. Babe Ruth
    2. Barry Bonds
    3. Ty Cobb
    4. Ted Williams
    5. Willie Mays
    6. Alex Rodriguez
    7. Hank Aaron
    8. Honus Wagner
    9. Lou Gehrig
    10. Mickey Mantle

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    • #3
      In other words, Boston is 4th because they are expected, based on statistical results, to do better. Nothing wrong with that; it just says they have the potential to turn things around very soon.

      On Whatifsports.com, the Red Sox are second in their power rankings, based on their simulator. Either two studies (essentially what they are) got the same thing GROSSLY wrong, or this team should have a much better record soon.
      Last edited by SamtheBravesFan; 07-03-2012, 08:41 AM. Reason: Too many times saying "Red Sox"
      46 wins to match last year's total

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      • #4
        Originally posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post
        for the most part of this season, they have been at least 4th, if not 5th in their own division
        What's the difference where they were? Right now, they're a half-game out of 2nd (in the tough AL East), and they have the 4th best run differential in MLB.

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        • #5
          they are 17-6 in blowouts meaning they have guys add on to 10-2 scores with meaningless home runs but are 9-10 in 1 run games and 1-5 in extra inning games meaning they are not built to win close games

          that is why the numbers are skewed

          compare that to the Rays who are 8-10 in blowouts but 15-11 in one run games and 2-2 in extra inning games

          or the giants who are 9-7 in blowouts but 17-12 in 1 run games and 4-1 in exyra innings games

          I would rather win 3-2 than win 13-2 and then be so poor in close games
          1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
          2. Strat-O-Matic Baseball Player, Collector and Hobbyist since 1969, visit my strat site: http://forums.delphiforums.com/GamersParadise
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          • #6
            Originally posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post
            they are 17-6 in blowouts meaning they have guys add on to 10-2 scores with meaningless home runs but are 9-10 in 1 run games and 1-5 in extra inning games meaning they are not built to win close games
            No, that simply means that's what they've done in the past. It doesn't mean they will do so in the future. On May 1, would you have said that the 8-15 LA Angels were not built to win games? They're 37-20 since then.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post
              they are 17-6 in blowouts meaning they have guys add on to 10-2 scores with meaningless home runs but are 9-10 in 1 run games and 1-5 in extra inning games meaning they are not built to win close games

              that is why the numbers are skewed

              compare that to the Rays who are 8-10 in blowouts but 15-11 in one run games and 2-2 in extra inning games

              or the giants who are 9-7 in blowouts but 17-12 in 1 run games and 4-1 in exyra innings games

              I would rather win 3-2 than win 13-2 and then be so poor in close games
              So the Rays are better because they get blown out more often. Makes sense. :noidea
              My top 10 players:

              1. Babe Ruth
              2. Barry Bonds
              3. Ty Cobb
              4. Ted Williams
              5. Willie Mays
              6. Alex Rodriguez
              7. Hank Aaron
              8. Honus Wagner
              9. Lou Gehrig
              10. Mickey Mantle

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              • #8
                ^ no you miss the point

                the blowout games skew the red sox stats and get them ranked way higher than they deserve

                a 2-1 win and a 10-1 win both account for just one win

                that's why in non blowout games the red sox are 25-32 and the rays are 34-28
                1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
                2. Strat-O-Matic Baseball Player, Collector and Hobbyist since 1969, visit my strat site: http://forums.delphiforums.com/GamersParadise
                3. My table top gaming blog: http://cary333.blogspot.com/

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                • #9
                  How about the Giants last year? They were 10 games over .500 yet they were -8 in run differential. That's the epitome of overachieving.
                  Using a stolen chant from Boston Celtics fans whenever an L.A. team is playing up there just reeks of inferiority complex.

                  If hitting a baseball is the toughest thing to do in sports, then pitching must be the easiest thing to do in sports.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post
                    ^ no you miss the point

                    the blowout games skew the red sox stats and get them ranked way higher than they deserve

                    a 2-1 win and a 10-1 win both account for just one win

                    that's why in non blowout games the red sox are 25-32 and the rays are 34-28
                    The distribution of runs throughout the season is pretty random. Their Pythagorean record is currently 10 games over .500. If you are going for the "Red Sox aren't clutch" argument, I'm not going to touch that one. The "clutch" nonsense has been disproven so many times it's not even worth discussing anymore.

                    P.S. I can't believe I'm actually defending the Red Sox, whom I despise.
                    My top 10 players:

                    1. Babe Ruth
                    2. Barry Bonds
                    3. Ty Cobb
                    4. Ted Williams
                    5. Willie Mays
                    6. Alex Rodriguez
                    7. Hank Aaron
                    8. Honus Wagner
                    9. Lou Gehrig
                    10. Mickey Mantle

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                    • #11
                      I think they're going to keep having a poor record in close games as long as Aceves keeps getting the ball in key situations.
                      I understood not signing Paps, but they sure haven't found a replacement for him yet.
                      "If I drink whiskey, I'll never get worms!" - Hack Wilson

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post
                        they are 17-6 in blowouts meaning they have guys add on to 10-2 scores with meaningless home runs but are 9-10 in 1 run games and 1-5 in extra inning games meaning they are not built to win close games

                        that is why the numbers are skewed

                        compare that to the Rays who are 8-10 in blowouts but 15-11 in one run games and 2-2 in extra inning games

                        or the giants who are 9-7 in blowouts but 17-12 in 1 run games and 4-1 in exyra innings games

                        I would rather win 3-2 than win 13-2 and then be so poor in close games
                        Isn't winning a lot of close games mainly luck? If a team is .700 in one run games I would say this is not sustainable while if they are .550 I would say this is about right.

                        That being said I don't think the red sox are currently 4th. but only because they have so many injuries. they have about 5 AS caliber players on the DL which team can suffer this and still play above .500?


                        Hard to rank right now but I would say the top5 teams all play in the AL. a lot of good teams there best I think are yankees and rangers.
                        I now have my own non commercial blog about training for batspeed and power using my training experience in baseball and track and field.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Dude Paskert View Post
                          I think they're going to keep having a poor record in close games as long as Aceves keeps getting the ball in key situations.
                          I understood not signing Paps, but they sure haven't found a replacement for him yet.
                          Aceves has actually had a very good season. The 4.17 ERA isn't great, but it's skewed by one terrible outing against NYY in April. If you remove that one outing, his ERA is 3.08 and his WHIP is 0.976, with 19 saves in 21 opportunities. Even including the one bad game, his K:BB is better than 3:1. He's been one of the main reasons that the Red Sox are still in the playoff hunt.
                          My top 10 players:

                          1. Babe Ruth
                          2. Barry Bonds
                          3. Ty Cobb
                          4. Ted Williams
                          5. Willie Mays
                          6. Alex Rodriguez
                          7. Hank Aaron
                          8. Honus Wagner
                          9. Lou Gehrig
                          10. Mickey Mantle

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                          • #14
                            who takes these websites seriously??

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                            • #15
                              Whenever I look at em I see the Whitesox ranked between 11-15. I havent looked in awhile though.
                              "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

                              "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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