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Upon what basis should players be selected for the All-Star game?
Upon what basis should players be selected for the All-Star game?
Please vote for as many choices as you think are appropriate.
Please vote for as many choices as you think are appropriate.
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541) Individual statistics going back a full year14.81%82) Individual statistics going back half a year22.22%123) Fan popularity (voting by the fans)12.96%74) Baseball writers vote7.41%45) Players vote18.52%106) Managers selection11.11%67) Current method of #s 2, 3 & 65.56%38) Other - please specify7.41%4Last edited by BiZmaRK; 07-06-2012, 02:33 PM.Holding a pitcher accountable for how many runs his team scores is like holding the designated hitter accountable for how many runs his team allows.
An individual statistic is meaningful only if it is based strictly on what the player does and not on what the other players on his team do.
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I'm okay with going by pure statistics. Its tiring seeing players get voted in because they are popular. This isnt high school anymore, and an all star game should be based on how well you played. Im fine with mlb players, managers, gms, writers, broadcasters etc.. choosing players. If you allow the fans to vote its based on popularity and who plays for their favorite team. -
How far back would you look at stats? To the beginning of the season? One year? Over the player's entire career?Originally posted by 04golf View PostHolding a pitcher accountable for how many runs his team scores is like holding the designated hitter accountable for how many runs his team allows.
An individual statistic is meaningful only if it is based strictly on what the player does and not on what the other players on his team do.
Contrary to what most baseball fans claim, a pitched ball which is hit into play is not a strike.Comment
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I hope it is not the who had the slightly better last 12 weeks game1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
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I think it would be good to consider the second half of last season also. that is a bigger sample size.
right now this is really a popularity contest. nearly all players are from Texas, NY or SF.I now have my own non commercial blog about training for batspeed and power using my training experience in baseball and track and field.Comment
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As long as they eliminate the stupid rule that every major league team has to be represented, i'd be fine with keeping it the way it is.My top 10 players:
1. Babe Ruth
2. Barry Bonds
3. Ty Cobb
4. Ted Williams
5. Willie Mays
6. Alex Rodriguez
7. Hank Aaron
8. Honus Wagner
9. Lou Gehrig
10. Mickey MantleComment
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yeah this is stupid. however we all know the rea$on for this ruleOriginally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
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I say use the stats from the beginning of the season.
Using the 2nd half of the season prior makes little sense. For a 2012 all-star game, use only 2012 stats.
I know 12 weeks isn't a large sample size, but that's what you have to use if the All-Star Game is held mid-season. The only solution would be to have the All-Star game at the end of a season, which I don't want.
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It's a game designed to entertain the fans. Most fans don't have a clue who the best players are (fact: review the voting in any year the fans vote), while the writers are only a bit better and the managers a tad bit better than that.
Despite the failed design by MLB to try to make the game meaningful in a clumsy ham fisted way, it's meant for the fans. Players should play that the fans want to see and we should not pretend that making or not making the all-star team has any value or relevance at all. That's why I am all for a guy like Chipper Jones, Jeter or Harper being on the team. People want to see them. Oh well, thats what I think.Last edited by drstrangelove; 07-06-2012, 04:29 PM."It's better to look good, than be good."Comment
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Money for whom? The reason is to have every team represented. There are so many other things that are more directly in result of money, this really isn't one of them.Originally posted by dominik View Postyeah this is stupid. however we all know the rea$on for this rule.Dave Bill Tom George Mark Bob Ernie Soupy Dick Alex Sparky
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I think the second half of the previous year should be accounted for in the stats for selection. The bigger sample size is a good representation of whom, based on statistics, should be an All star. Also the players and managers should have the say as to who should be in the game.Comment
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Individual stats going back to the beginning of the season with a voting system using a consortium of players, coaches (mgrs incl), writers and a panel of experts.San Francisco Giants, World Series Champions in 2010, 2012, and 2014!!!
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How about an all-star who hit .319/.375/.584 with 19 home runs in the 2nd half of the previous season and just .273/.334/.461 with 13 HR in the first half of the next season? Worthy numbers the previous season, but hardly all-star caliber the next, are they? What if a player like this were named an all-star based on his combined performance? Could you call that player a 2012 all-star if his best numbers were posted in 2011?Originally posted by RDB_SoxFan View PostSan Francisco Giants, World Series Champions in 2010, 2012, and 2014!!!
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts" ~ Albert Einstein
"Royals wear crowns, but Champions Kiss the Ring" ~ Jeremy AffeldtComment
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Hmmm. Great point Rich. Albert Pujols im sure is who you are referring to, and no, he should not be an All Star this year. I wish i had some numbers to counter with, but I really dont ha.Originally posted by Rich the Giants fan View PostComment
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The player you describe though sounds like a slugger that is prone to slumping on occassion. 32 homers over a year period is very good and his slugging should be at least .500 with those rates. Sounds like an All-Star to me.
EDIT: That is, of course, if we're using the "second half-first half" method.Last edited by SamtheBravesFan; 07-06-2012, 07:41 PM.
46 wins to match last year's total Comment
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