Weaver 15-1 on way to record?

[9RoyHobbsRF]

Wow

Another nice outing by Jered Weaver who is now 15-1.

I believe the most wins with only 1 loss was Roy Face at 18-1 and Weaver is within range of this.

How is a guy with the best ERA, best W-L record, best WHIP (second in hits allowed, 4th in BB allowed) only 8th in WAR for pitchers?

[chicagowhitesox1173]

Yeah i'm pretty shocked on that too. Maybe because he has a great offense and plays in a pitchers park? Hiroki Kurodo has a higher war. The Whitesox had Jose Quintana who recently got up to a 3.4 war. Thats a major flaw when guys like Quintana and Kurodo are looked at as having better seasons when a guy is 15-1 and in the top 3 in most pitching categorys.

[ian2813]

Roger Clemens made it to 20-1 in 2001, but he lost his last two decisions to finish 20-3.

[Bothrops Atrox]

How is a guy with the best ERA, best W-L record, best WHIP (second in hits allowed, 4th in BB allowed) only 8th in WAR for pitchers?

Verlander, Price, and Peavy have 15+ more innings. And WAR says that Weaver has been helped out a lot by his defense, unlike Sale, who WAR says has been hurt a lot. Weaver gets his WAR docked a little for pitching in a pitcher's park too. So most of the WAR vs. perception gap can be explained by the 2-3 starts he missed, his park, and the great defense behind him. It is up to the individual to decide what to make of WARs defensive components and what replacement (playing time) baseline to use. Or what to do with park effects for that matter.

I am not saying that it is right, but that is why. WAR cares only about the number of runs allowed - so how he prevents his runs (say his WHIP, etc.) is not relevant to the WAR discussion. Obviously WAR doesn't care about his W-L either, for what it is worth.

Again, please disagree, but don't shoot the messenger.

[Bothrops Atrox]

Yeah i'm pretty shocked on that too. Maybe because he has a great offense and plays in a pitchers park? Hiroki Kurodo has a higher war. The Whitesox had Jose Quintana who recently got up to a 3.4 war. Thats a major flaw when guys like Quintana and Kurodo are looked at as having better seasons when a guy is 15-1 and in the top 3 in most pitching categorys.

White Sox pitchers are getting two big boosts...the defensive range behind them is poor and the pitch in a hitter's park. Kuroda also has 2 more starts worth of innings.
Quintata is getting a leveraging boost for being a reliever and doesn't belong in the conversation; it is like comparing apples to oranges.

[GiambiJuice]

Who would have predicted a Dickey/Weaver Cy Young duo?

[PVNICK]

Weaver wouldn't be crazy a pick. But who would have done a Verlander, CC, Price, Weaver pick one/Dickey duo?

[Bothrops Atrox]

Who would have predicted a Dickey/Weaver Cy Young duo?

The 3-time All Star already has a 5th and a 2nd place Cy finish - not too shocking, really.

[GiambiJuice]

The 3-time All Star already has a 5th and a 2nd place Cy finish - not too shocking, really.

True, the Dickey part of the duo is the surprising one.

[Bothrops Atrox]

True, the Dickey part of the duo is the surprising one.

Yeah, Dickey would be surprising, but I do not think he will win.

[Rich the Giants fan]

Roger Clemens made it to 20-1 in 2001, but he lost his last two decisions to finish 20-3.

Which shows how very easily such a thing can slip away. I won't be holding my breath.

[Rich the Giants fan]

Who would have predicted a Dickey/Weaver Cy Young duo?

I think Johnny Cueto might just step in and snatch it away in the NL.

[Bothrops Atrox]

I think Johnny Cueto might just step in and snatch it away in the NL.

Yeah, Cueto would be my frontrunner as of now. As long as he doesn't kick somebody's face in, he should be okay.

[Rich the Giants fan]

Which shows how very easily such a thing can slip away. I won't be holding my breath.

Just one month later and he's 16-4 and on his way to see the doctor. This is why you don't get too excited about such things when there's two months of the season to go.

[PlanetZoltan]

Just one month later and he's 16-4 and on his way to see the doctor. This is why you don't get too excited about such things when there's two months of the season to go.

Is he hurt?

1-3 since this thread was made, but Weaver is having a very nice season, and should easily be on his way to a top 5 in Cy Young voting for the 3rd straight year.