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  • Triple crown for Mike Trout?

    He has a shot at the "percentage" triple crown which might be more meaningful than the traditional TC anyway.

    Currently first in average .343

    Third in OB:
    Ortiz: .414
    Mauer: .414
    Trout: .407

    Second in slugging:
    Ortiz: .609
    Trout: .604

  • #2
    I prefer the traditional Triple Crown that Miguel Cabrera might have a chance, but he might pull what Mauer did 3 years ago.
    Last Player to hit for the Cycle: Matt Kemp, San Diego Padres (August 14, 2015)

    Last Pitcher to throw a Regular Season No-Hitter: Max Scherzer, Washington Nationals 2-0 (October 3, 2015)

    Last Pitcher to throw a Postseason No-Hitter: Roy Halladay, Philadelphia Phillies 4-0 (October 6, 2010)

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    • #3
      I would think Cabrera has a MUCH better chance to win either or both 'triple crowns' than this guy does. Look at how far Hamilton has fallen from the beginning of the year. Expect Trout to fall pretty hard.

      Why do people on this board insist on overrating any player who has a hot streak? Earlier this year people it was a given that Hamilton would have the best season ever, and that Dickey was the best pitcher of all time. Now Trout and Posey are suddenly HOF bound. It's funny, really.
      Last edited by willshad; 08-19-2012, 10:32 PM.

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      • #4
        Trout's not just on a hot streak. He's easily the best player in baseball this year and is on pace to have one of the greatest years by a 20 year old ever.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by willshad View Post
          I would think Cabrera has a MUCH better chance to win either or both 'triple crowns' than this guy does. Look at how far Hamilton has fallen from the beginning of the year. Expect Trout to fall pretty hard.

          Why do people on this board insist on overrating any player who has a hot streak? Earlier this year people it was a given that Hamilton would have the best season ever, and that Dickey was the best pitcher of all time. Now Trout and Posey are suddenly HOF bound. It's funny, really.
          I agree with you that this often happens. however trout has already played 2/3rd of a season that well so it is more than a short hot streak. still I would be careful expecting the same again next season. I believe ultimately he will be great but don't be surprised about a sophomore slump next year.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by brett View Post
            He has a shot at the "percentage" triple crown which might be more meaningful than the traditional TC anyway.

            Currently first in average .343

            Third in OB:
            Ortiz: .414
            Mauer: .414
            Trout: .407

            Second in slugging:
            Ortiz: .609
            Trout: .604
            I don't like that a DH should warrant a triple crown because all he does is bats. A full time player like Trout who spends his time in defense as well as his batting is more deserving, so I would discount Ortiz's stats. I guess I just don't like the DH!!
            "A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz." ~Humphrey Bogart

            No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference. ~Tommy Lasorda

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DownUnderDodger View Post
              I don't like that a DH should warrant a triple crown because all he does is bats. A full time player like Trout who spends his time in defense as well as his batting is more deserving, so I would discount Ortiz's stats. I guess I just don't like the DH!!
              I don't like the dh either, but this makes no sense. The triple crown is an offensive achievement. It has nothing to do with defense. Or does it have anything to do with voting - you can't give it to someone or take it away

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              • #8
                I'd discount Ortiz's stats not because he's a DH but because he's a proven cheater and a phony.
                My top 10 players:

                1. Babe Ruth
                2. Barry Bonds
                3. Ty Cobb
                4. Ted Williams
                5. Willie Mays
                6. Alex Rodriguez
                7. Hank Aaron
                8. Honus Wagner
                9. Lou Gehrig
                10. Mickey Mantle

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by willshad View Post
                  I would think Cabrera has a MUCH better chance to win either or both 'triple crowns' than this guy does. Look at how far Hamilton has fallen from the beginning of the year. Expect Trout to fall pretty hard.

                  Why do people on this board insist on overrating any player who has a hot streak? Earlier this year people it was a given that Hamilton would have the best season ever, and that Dickey was the best pitcher of all time. Now Trout and Posey are suddenly HOF bound. It's funny, really.
                  For one, he just turned 21. I'd expect pitchers to figure him out a little bit but the last time a 21 year old hit that well was Albert Pujols. Maybe not even Albert. Maybe we are "overrating" him because he actually is nearly leading the league in all 3 percentages 100 games into his first full season. He has a 161 OPS+ through his first 139 games. Ted Williams went 160 in 142 games in his rookie season at basically an identical age. Joe Jackson is the onl guy I can find better through basically a full season. Pujols went 157.

                  Second, his hitting is practically all gravy. The guy is a legit gold glove centerfielder and the best all around baserunner in the game today, if not for 20 years. 43-3 in his first 46 steal attempts is insane. He may be having the best hitting, baserunning and fielding season in the league this year.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by willshad View Post
                    Why do people on this board insist on overrating any player who has a hot streak? Earlier this year people it was a given that Hamilton would have the best season ever, and that Dickey was the best pitcher of all time.
                    Do you have a link to any of those posts? I don't recall anyone saying that here.

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                    • #11
                      Even if his OPS+ tumbles to 160, I'll put it first all-time for his age group. I'll take a very good fielding centerfielder with blazing speed over the other candidates from ages 20-21. I cannot believe that he leads the league in steals, yet has still managed a SB% of 90%. Also, his OPS+ is amazing, considering that he only has 42 walks this year.

                      I see him with the following numbers to end the season(assumes a slight dip here):

                      120 runs scored, 50 SB, 90% sb%, .320 avg, 165 OPS+ with a dWAR of 2.0 and WAR of 10.0. That smells like a landslide MVP to me.

                      What's funny is that he's putting up the types of numbers I said Ty Cobb would had he played today and worked out like a maniac.

                      This kid is the most exciting player I've watched in many years.

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                      • #12
                        How can this kid be so good? So many teams passed on him in the 2009 draft (he was the 25th pick)
                        Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by myachimantis View Post
                          Trout's not just on a hot streak. He's easily the best player in baseball this year and is on pace to have one of the greatest years by a 20 year old ever.
                          How is he better than Mccutchen?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
                            How can this kid be so good? So many teams passed on him in the 2009 draft (he was the 25th pick)
                            I heard it was because of where he played in HS(level of competition) and some prospect from that area who bombed prior, made scouts hesistant even though he was climbing the board fast.

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                            • #15
                              How Angels hooked a Trout in draft
                              by Ken Rosenthal

                              Los Angeles Angels rookie outfielder Mike Trout is the American League version of Bryce Harper, so how the heck did he fall to the 25th pick of the 2009 draft?

                              “You got me,” says Trout’s father, Jeff.

                              Call it anti-East Coast bias. Anti-New Jersey bias. Maybe even anti-Billy Rowell bias.

                              There is more to the story, much more, but what the heck. Let’s start by blaming Jersey.

                              Rowell probably should be left out of this, but like Trout, he hails from South Jersey, an area that doesn’t produce many major leaguers.

                              The Baltimore Orioles drafted Rowell, a corner infielder, with the ninth pick of the ’06 draft. And Rowell, in the words of former Angels scouting director Eddie Bane, the man who selected Trout, “completely went in the tank,” became a bust.

                              Now, any scout could see that Trout wasn’t Rowell. Trout could run. Trout could hit. And Trout had power. But if Rowell flopped . . .

                              Sounds crazy. But baseball people sometimes engage in groupthink, casting aspersions on an entire region due to the failings of one player.

                              Bane, who is now a major-league scout with the Tigers, says a number of teams simply could not believe that a kid as good as Trout could be from Jersey.

                              Trout, coming out of Millville H.S., wasn’t exactly an unknown — Jeff Trout recalls the Athletics’ Billy Beane, Giants’ Brian Sabean and high-ranking officials from virtually every other team coming to see his son.

                              Still, because kids in the northeast don’t play as much baseball as kids in Florida, California and other states in warmer climates, they usually are considered greater risks.

                              “Mike did the Area Code Games, did a few of the big tryouts and showcases, but he came on the scene late,” Jeff Trout says.

                              “He wasn’t just a baseball guy. He played football and basketball. A guy like Bryce Harper, people knew about him when he was 10.”

                              Greg Morhardt had no problem with any of that.

                              Morhardt, the Angels’ area scout who signed Trout, operated under a basic premise.

                              “The Northern player, they go a little bit on the back-burner,” Morhardt says. “That's where you can steal a kid.”

                              Especially when, as a former minor-league teammate of Jeff Trout, you’re operating with inside information.



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                              From 1984 to ’86, Morhardt and Jeff Trout played together with the Twins’ former Double A affiliate in Orlando, Fla.

                              Jeff, the Twins’ fifth-round pick in ’83, recalls himself as “a grinder, a 5-foot-8, 160-pound, switch-hitting second baseman who earned everything I got.”

                              By his own admission, Jeff wasn’t much of a defender. But in four minor-league seasons, he had a .303 batting average and .808 OPS.

                              “He used to hold the bat like a gorilla,” recalls Morhardt, who was a first baseman/outfielder. “His hands weren't pure, like an Adrian Gonzalez-type guy. It was like he was Bam-Bam. He didn't always look the prettiest. But he always hit.”

                              Mike holds the bat like his father did, Morhardt says — wrist curled in toward his body, sort of wrapped around the bat.

                              A style that appears to limit flexibility. A style that turned off some scouts.

                              “I personally had no issues with it,” says Morhardt, who is now a national crosschecker with the Angels. “I saw the father hold the bat very similar. And it didn't stop the father from hitting.”

                              Others, however, questioned whether Mike, a right-handed hitter, could hit the ball to the opposite field holding the bat way he did.

                              Just to make sure, Morhardt one day asked Mike to hit the ball down the right-field line. Mike did it on his next swing, and Morhardt never said another word.

                              Mike, in Morhardt’s view, was a scout’s dream.

                              “He was much faster than everyone in the country. He was much stronger than everyone in the country. He had the timing, the instincts,” Morhardt recalls.

                              “He was stronger than any 17-year-old I'd ever seen — (Barry) Bonds, Oddibe (McDowell), all of them. I'd never seen a 17-year-old who was that fast and that strong.”

                              During Mike’s junior year, Morhardt says he told Ric Wilson, a national cross-checker who later replaced Bane as the Angels’ scouting director, “We’ve got to get Trout.”

                              “It was not a hard one,” Morhardt says. “It was about as easy as you can get.”



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                              The Angels in ‘09 forfeited their first-round pick, No. 32 overall, after signing free-agent reliever Brian Fuentes. But they gained back-to-back first-rounders, Nos. 24 and 25, for losing free-agent reliever Francisco Rodriguez and first baseman Mark Teixeira.

                              San Diego State right-hander Stephen Strasburg was No. 1 on virtually every team’s draft board.

                              The Angels had Trout second. So did the Yankees.

                              The signing of Teixeira had cost the Yankees the 25th pick. But they were selecting at No. 29 as compensation for failing to sign their 2008 first-rounder, pitcher Gerrit Cole — yes, the same Gerrit Cole who went to the Pirates with the No. 1 overall selection last year.

                              In any case, Bane wasn’t worried about the Yankees grabbing Trout — they were picking behind him. No, Bane was worried about all those teams ahead of the Angels. The Nationals and Diamondbacks both would select twice before the Angels made their first pick.

                              Morhardt, Wilson and the Angels’ East Coast supervisor, Mike Silvestri, all liked Trout. In May, the month before the draft, Bane flew east to see Trout play. Trout did not perform well, hit a couple of popups. But running out one of the popups, he had almost reached third base.

                              That night, Bane went to dinner with Mike, his older brother Tyler and his parents Jeff and Debbie at Ye Olde Centerton Inn in Pittsgrove, N.J. — a restaurant that, according to Jeff, is “in the middle of a bunch of farms.”

                              The Trouts impressed Bane.

                              “They busted each other’s chops, as they called it,” Bane says. “But you could tell there was a ton of respect in the family. Mike knew you could kid with your parents. But they were your parents.”

                              Still, Bane felt he had wasted a trip, wasted two days at a time when he could have been in a warm-weather state checking out multiple players.

                              “After seeing Mike,” Bane says, “I was pretty sure he was not going to be there for us.”



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                              The Yankees weren’t confident of landing Trout, either. But, they, too, felt they had special insight into the player.

                              Trout had participated for the Reds and Yankees in the 2008 Area Code Games, a showcase of the best high-school players in the country. He also had hit four or five home runs in a private workout at Yankee Stadium.

                              Damon Oppenheimer, the Yankees’ scouting director, thought that maybe, just maybe, the kid from South Jersey would end up in the Bronx.

                              “I was trying like hell to play it down. He wasn’t a huge name,” Oppenheimer recalls. “I was like, ‘You know what?’ He’s got a chance to get to us.”

                              Jeff Trout thought so, too.

                              “I knew if the Angels didn’t get him, the Yankees probably would,” he says.

                              Oppenheimer and Bane, who are friendly rivals, spoke after the draft and learned that they had both had rated Trout No. 2 behind Strasburg.

                              Bane, nearly three years later, chuckles at what he told Oppenheimer.

                              “You had no chance.”



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                              Jeff Trout, based on his conversations with different clubs, thought the Mariners might grab Mike at No. 2 — Mariners GM Jack Zduriencik says Trout was in the mix, but the M’s took Dustin Ackley, a first baseman/outfielder from the University of North Carolina.

                              Jeff also thought the Diamondbacks might take Mike — they had scouted him heavily, and had the Nos. 16 and 17 picks. But the D-Backs chose Bobby Borchering, a high-school third baseman from Florida, and A.J. Pollock, an outfielder from Notre Dame.

                              The Athletics, picking at No. 13, were another team that strongly considered Trout. But the A’s selected Grant Green, a shortstop from USC whom they felt could fill a need quickly — and ended up an outfielder, beaten to the majors by Trout.

                              On and on it went.

                              A number of fine talents went ahead of Trout — Braves lefty Mike Minor, Nationals closer Drew Storen, Cardinals Triple A righty Shelby Miller. So did a few players who, at least to this point, are considered busts — the Padres took outfielder Donovan Tate at No. 3, the Orioles took right-hander Matt Hobgood at No. 5.

                              Trout and his parents watched the whole thing unfold at the MLB Network in Secaucus, N.J.

                              It was the first time the network had televised the draft. Trout was the only player to attend.

                              “I was really hesitant about that,” Jeff Trout says. “I know how those things go. I said, ‘Mike, you can get up there and drop to the second or third round and we’ll look like fools.’”

                              “My wife said, ‘Nah, let’s go.’ As always, my wife talks us into smart decisions.”

                              The network is only a two-hour drive away from the family’s home, and Mike, then 17, sided with his mom.

                              “It was a once-in-a-lifetime chance, being there, meeting all of the Hall of Famers,” Mike says.

                              The Angels used the first of their back-to-back picks on another high-school outfielder, Randal Grichuk, who is still in A ball.

                              Trout came next.

                              And three selections later, the Yankees chose Slade Heathcott, a high-school outfielder from Texarkana, Texas.

                              Heathcott, who has had multiple shoulder injuries and surgeries, is still in A ball.

                              Trout, now 20, is leading off for the Angels, not at all bitter that so many players were taken ahead of him.

                              “I’m happy I got selected,” Trout says. “I can never take that for granted and say, ‘I should have been a top 10 pick.’ I’m just happy I got a chance to play pro ball.”

                              He’s from Jersey, after all.

                              He wasn’t supposed to be this good.
                              http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/h...b-draft-051212

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