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  • #16
    When I saw the title of this thread my initial thought was that either Craig Kimbrel or Aroldis Chapman's name would be mentioned. But when I found out that the person in question is some guy named "Rodney," I have to admit that I was a bit surprised. I have no idea who he is. But admittedly I'm impressed with those numbers. That being said, to answer the question I don't think he'll win the Cy Young. As great of a year as Rodney's having, the best AL pitchers of this year are doing too well to allow it to slip in to a reliever's hands.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by RaysFan_98 View Post
      Has mo even had a season close to this? Or was that homerisim speaking?
      I don't know if you put any stock in WAR, but Rivera has TEN seasons with a higher WAR than Rodney has now.
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      • #18
        The trend the last few years has been to ignore closers for in CY voting for the most part.
        In 2009, not a single closer received a vote.

        But it wasn't too many years ago that Francisco Rodriguez could draw some heavy votes.
        Trevor Hoffman was the last serious challenger, in 2006, coming in 2nd, getting 48% of the Share.
        Eric Gagne was the last to win in 2003.

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        • #19
          Rodney has no chance. There is Price, Sale, Verlander, and Weaver competing with the starters in the AL alone. I'd take every one of them over Fernando.
          46 wins to match last year's total

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Matthew C. View Post
            Right -too many high profile starters in the AL having big years (Verlander, Hernandez, Price).
            They maybe high profile, but they aren't really having big years, at least not compared to other CY types.

            No AL pitcher is likely to get pWAR of 7.0+.
            All AL starters have ERA+ under 160.
            It's possible no AL starter gets 20 Wins.
            No one is really having a huge year.
            The top AL starters in 2012 would be 2nd or 3rd place winners most other seasons.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
              I don't know if you put any stock in WAR, but Rivera has TEN seasons with a higher WAR than Rodney has now.
              Yes and i know but i was just comparing his ERA Whip numbers and none of em have been close.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post
                Rodney has no chance. There is Price, Sale, Verlander, and Weaver competing with the starters in the AL alone. I'd take every one of them over Fernando.
                I get that and i said that up above.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by RaysFan_98 View Post
                  I get that and i said that up above.
                  Yes, I see. I saw that yesterday and it didn't register in my brain. Sorry about that.
                  46 wins to match last year's total

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by dgarza View Post
                    They maybe high profile, but they aren't really having big years, at least not compared to other CY types.

                    No AL pitcher is likely to get pWAR of 7.0+.
                    All AL starters have ERA+ under 160.
                    It's possible no AL starter gets 20 Wins.
                    No one is really having a huge year.
                    The top AL starters in 2012 would be 2nd or 3rd place winners most other seasons.
                    Rodney will not win with big names even having good years. I bet Rodney will finish 4th or 5th in the voting.

                    Are you predicting a win?
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Matthew C. View Post

                      Are you predicting a win?
                      I'm not predicting anything. I'm just saying that the 2012 starters batch is not all that strong, which gives closers a better chance of getting votes.

                      But now that you mention it, a 4th place showing for a closer is a strong showing. It shows they were not a write-off.
                      Last edited by dgarza; 09-19-2012, 12:51 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by dgarza View Post
                        I'm not predicting anything. I'm just saying that the 2012 starters batch is not all that strong, which gives closers a better chance of getting votes.
                        Better, yes. But not strong.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Matthew C. View Post
                          Better, yes. But not strong.
                          Well, I really haven't given my opinion of the quality of AL closers. I've only been disputing posts that suggest the AL starters are having big years.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post
                            Rodney has no chance. There is Price, Sale, Verlander, and Weaver competing with the starters in the AL alone. I'd take every one of them over Fernando.
                            I"d take King Felix over Rodney, too.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by dgarza View Post
                              Well, I really haven't given my opinion of the quality of AL closers. I've only been disputing posts that suggest the AL starters are having big years.
                              Sorry for the use of relative terms. Big enough years for Rodney not to have much of a chance.
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                              • #30
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