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  • Can Adam Dunn win the 3 true outcome Triple crown?

    Not quite as glamorous as the real TC but Adam Dunn is leading Ks and BBs by far and is just 2 Bombs behind Hamilton (1 behind cabrera) as of now.

    Who was the last to achieve that feat?
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    The last to lead the Majors in all three was Babe Ruth. A few guys have led their league in all 3, for example Mickey Mantle and Mike Schmidt.
    My top 10 players:

    1. Babe Ruth
    2. Barry Bonds
    3. Ty Cobb
    4. Ted Williams
    5. Willie Mays
    6. Alex Rodriguez
    7. Hank Aaron
    8. Honus Wagner
    9. Lou Gehrig
    10. Mickey Mantle

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    • #3
      I'm pushing for Cabrera's Triple Crown. But if Dunn gets this one done, he'll join only 4 players since 1920 (Live Ball Era): Babe Ruth, Hack Wilson, Mickey Mantle and Mike Schmidt. Nice company. If he keeps this one up, for 5 seasons or more, HOF won't be so far from his grasp.
      "I am not too serious about anything. I believe you have to enjoy yourself to get the most out of your ability."-
      George Brett

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      • #4
        Originally posted by yankillaz View Post
        I'm pushing for Cabrera's Triple Crown. But if Dunn gets this one done, he'll join only 4 players since 1920 (Live Ball Era): Babe Ruth, Hack Wilson, Mickey Mantle and Mike Schmidt. Nice company. If he keeps this one up, for 5 seasons or more, HOF won't be so far from his grasp.
        He is of course by far the worst of this group. but this is partly because it is much "harder" to win the SO crown now. back then nobody struck out and ruth whiffed maybe 100 times which was considered exessive back then. but now 100 is basically average and with 200 Ks like dunn it is very hard to produce a decent BA.

        Dunn is currently sitting at a 3 true outcome percentage of 57%
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        • #5
          Originally posted by dominik View Post
          He is of course by far the worst of this group. but this is partly because it is much "harder" to win the SO crown now. back then nobody struck out and ruth whiffed maybe 100 times which was considered exessive back then. but now 100 is basically average and with 200 Ks like dunn it is very hard to produce a decent BA.

          Dunn is currently sitting at a 3 true outcome percentage of 57%
          I'm not saying that he's on par with Schimdt, Mantle or Ruth. But Hack Wilson isn't far from him, and he's in the HOF. If Dunn can get by career end over 550 hrs, 1500 bb and 3000 K's. How can he not be a HOFer?
          "I am not too serious about anything. I believe you have to enjoy yourself to get the most out of your ability."-
          George Brett

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          • #6
            With a batting average of just over .200, won't he "win" the worst batting title?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by yankillaz View Post
              I'm not saying that he's on par with Schimdt, Mantle or Ruth. But Hack Wilson isn't far from him, and he's in the HOF. If Dunn can get by career end over 550 hrs, 1500 bb and 3000 K's. How can he not be a HOFer?
              then I think he will make it. but he could also lose the ability to make contact with the ball at all over night and be out of baseball. we have seen a glimpse of this last year. for this type of player (already bad contact ability) the end can come quickly.

              we don't know what is in 3 years. he could already have 500 bombs- or he could be out of baseball because he cannot make contact anymore.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by yankillaz View Post
                I'm not saying that he's on par with Schimdt, Mantle or Ruth. But Hack Wilson isn't far from him, and he's in the HOF. If Dunn can get by career end over 550 hrs, 1500 bb and 3000 K's. How can he not be a HOFer?
                He's not close to a HoF now and add 30% to what he has and he is still not close.

                Wilson had 37 WAR in 5500 PA. Dunn has 14 in 7100. There are people not in the HoF who have gotten a total of 14 WAR in 2 seasons, not to mention how many have done it in just 3-5 seasons. He's played 12 years.

                He's not even close to Wilson and 30% more won't make it any better. He does 2 things: homer and walk. He doesn't do enough of each to make up for all of the things he doesn't do very well at all.
                Last edited by drstrangelove; 09-26-2012, 05:18 PM.
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                • #9
                  Despite Dunn's HR power resurgence he is reaching a critical point of his career. His contact skills have severely diminished. He hit .159 last year. He's only hitting .209 this season. There is going to be a point soon where is not going to play him full time if continues to hit barely over .200 no matter how many HRs he hits. From 2001-07 Dunn hit .248. From 2008-12 he's only hitting .230 and dropping.
                  Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                  • #10
                    Adam Dunn reminds me a lot of Dave Kingman, except that he draws a lot more walks.

                    Per 162 games played, here's how they stack up.

                    A. Dunn 38 HR, 96 RBI, .240 avg with 191 Ks and 110 BB
                    Kingman 37 HR, 101 RBI, .236 avg with 152 Ks and 51 BB

                    Granted, Dunn has 14.0 WAR in 1713 games while Kingman has 14.8 WAR in 1941 games, which scores heavily in favor of Dunn. However, Dunn has only accumulated 0.2 WAR since 2008 and has NEGATIVE WAR since 2009.

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                    • #11
                      I can't see Dunn in the hall. If Albert Belle can't get in, how can Dunn? Belle was light years ahead of Dunn as a hitter.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by JR Hart View Post
                        I can't see Dunn in the hall. If Albert Belle can't get in, how can Dunn? Belle was light years ahead of Dunn as a hitter.
                        I agree with this 110%.
                        Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by pheasant View Post
                          Adam Dunn reminds me a lot of Dave Kingman, except that he draws a lot more walks.

                          Per 162 games played, here's how they stack up.

                          A. Dunn 38 HR, 96 RBI, .240 avg with 191 Ks and 110 BB
                          Kingman 37 HR, 101 RBI, .236 avg with 152 Ks and 51 BB

                          Granted, Dunn has 14.0 WAR in 1713 games while Kingman has 14.8 WAR in 1941 games, which scores heavily in favor of Dunn. However, Dunn has only accumulated 0.2 WAR since 2008 and has NEGATIVE WAR since 2009.
                          Rob Deer also comes to mind.
                          They call me Mr. Baseball. Not because of my love for the game; because of all the stitches in my head.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ol' aches and pains View Post
                            Rob Deer also comes to mind.
                            Rob Deer is a great comp too. Good call.

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                            • #15
                              Another comp who comes to mind is Richie Sexson.
                              My top 10 players:

                              1. Babe Ruth
                              2. Barry Bonds
                              3. Ty Cobb
                              4. Ted Williams
                              5. Willie Mays
                              6. Alex Rodriguez
                              7. Hank Aaron
                              8. Honus Wagner
                              9. Lou Gehrig
                              10. Mickey Mantle

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