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  • Major League Baseball tie-breaking procedures

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_L...ing_procedures

    The tie-breaker game has conventionally been considered a regular season game. However, the Wikipedia entry doesn't address what impact the result of this game has on their regular season record with respect to additional tiebreakers.

    If they get to a A/B/C tiebreaker, how do they fit in two games on October 4?

    Is it correct that the wildcard team gets to host games 1 & 2 of the ALDS/NLDS?
    Holding a pitcher accountable for how many runs his team scores is like holding the designated hitter accountable for how many runs his team allows.

    An individual statistic is meaningful only if it is based strictly on what the player does and not on what the other players on his team do.

    Contrary to what most baseball fans claim, a pitched ball which is hit into play is not a strike.

  • #2
    The necessary tiebreakers are determined by standings after 162 games. A team that plays a tiebreaker doesn't immediately fall 1/2 game behind another team they were tied with, that doesn't play the first tiebreaker, if you follow me.

    For this year only, yes, the lower seeds in the DS, including the WC game winners, start at home. This is construed as an advantage in some quarters, but it means that they can only win those series on the road.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by spark240 View Post
      The necessary tiebreakers are determined by standings after 162 games. A team that plays a tiebreaker doesn't immediately fall 1/2 game behind another team they were tied with, that doesn't play the first tiebreaker, if you follow me.

      For this year only, yes, the lower seeds in the DS, including the WC game winners, start at home. This is construed as an advantage in some quarters, but it means that they can only win those series on the road.
      This makes sense.

      Yet to be answered is what happens if more than one tiebreaker game needs to be played? Does the Wildcard game get pushed back to Saturday the 6th?
      Holding a pitcher accountable for how many runs his team scores is like holding the designated hitter accountable for how many runs his team allows.

      An individual statistic is meaningful only if it is based strictly on what the player does and not on what the other players on his team do.

      Contrary to what most baseball fans claim, a pitched ball which is hit into play is not a strike.

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      • #4
        the answer is that they are really hoping that doesn't happen, but I can't see an alternatve to pushing back the wildcard game

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        • #5
          [QUOTE=BiZmaRK;2068798]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_L...ing_procedures

          The tie-breaker game has conventionally been considered a regular season game. However, the Wikipedia entry doesn't address what impact the result of this game has on their regular season record with respect to additional tiebreakers.

          you have to go to the botom of the page, and click on the
          References
          "How to determine playoff tiebreakers".

          which will take you to this MLB website
          http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...lb_nd&c_id=mlb


          If they get to a A/B/C tiebreaker, how do they fit in two games on October 4?
          day-night doubleheader
          thats nothing, read what it says about A/B/C/D tiebreaker


          Is it correct that the wildcard team gets to host games 1 & 2 of the ALDS/NLDS?
          already answered ^
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          • #6
            Originally posted by drdg View Post
            Originally posted by BiZmaRK View Post


            If they get to a A/B/C tiebreaker, how do they fit in two games on October 4?
            day-night doubleheader
            thats nothing, read what it says about A/B/C/D tiebreaker
            So they would have three teams at one city. This would create the risk that there would be a neutral site game.
            Example:
            Orioles win 1st wild card
            A's, Rays & Angels tie for second wild card
            All three teams travel to Anaheim. A's play Angels in day game; A's beat Angels & you have an A's-Rays game at Anaheim.
            OR:
            All three teams travel to Anaheim. Rays play A's in day game; Rays beat A's and play Angels in night game.

            Correct?
            Holding a pitcher accountable for how many runs his team scores is like holding the designated hitter accountable for how many runs his team allows.

            An individual statistic is meaningful only if it is based strictly on what the player does and not on what the other players on his team do.

            Contrary to what most baseball fans claim, a pitched ball which is hit into play is not a strike.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BiZmaRK View Post
              So they would have three teams at one city. This would create the risk that there would be a neutral site game.
              Example:
              Orioles win 1st wild card
              A's, Rays & Angels tie for second wild card
              All three teams travel to Anaheim. A's play Angels in day game; A's beat Angels & you have an A's-Rays game at Anaheim.
              OR:
              All three teams travel to Anaheim. Rays play A's in day game; Rays beat A's and play Angels in night game.

              Correct?
              No.

              In that scenario, the A's get first choice of their designation (A, B, or C) by virtue of slightly better head-to-head records against each of the other two. Then the Rays get second choice, because they killed the Angels this year.

              Determining A, B, C Designations in Three-Team Tiebreakers
              ...
              2. Three Clubs Do Not Have Identical Records Against One Another

              • If Club 1 has a better record against Clubs 2 and 3, and Club 2 has a better record against Club 3, then Club 1 chooses its designation, followed by Club 2.
              ...
              Three-Club Tie for One Wild Card Spot:
              After Clubs have been assigned their A, B and C designations, Club A would host Club B on Thursday, October 4th (tentatively). The winner of the game would then host Club C on Friday, October 5th (tentatively) to determine the Wild Card Club.
              Basically the first choice is between one must-win game on the road, after a day of rest (C), or two consecutive must-win games at home, with no rest (A). Either way, if you prevail, you then have a must-win game on the road, against the better-record WC team.

              So let's say the A's decide they don't want to risk elimination in three consecutive games if they can help it, and they choose to be designated C. The Rays then choose A, a no-brainer.

              So on the 4th, the Angels have to go play the Rays in St. Pete, while the A's catch their breath. If the Rays win, the A's come in next. If the Angels win, they fly back across the country to host the A's on the 5th. Whichever team wins then flies to meet the Orioles (who have now had two days off) in Baltimore on the 6th.

              The winner of that game opens the ALDS at home on the 7th!
              Last edited by Pere; 09-28-2012, 11:46 AM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by spark240 View Post
                No.

                In that scenario, the A's get first choice of their designation (A, B, or C) by virtue of slightly better head-to-head records against each of the other two. Then the Rays get second choice, because they killed the Angels this year.



                Basically the first choice is between one must-win game on the road, after a day of rest (C), or two consecutive must-win games at home, with no rest (A). Either way, if you prevail, you then have a must-win game on the road, against the better-record WC team.

                So let's say the A's decide they don't want to risk elimination in three consecutive games if they can help it, and they choose to be designated C. The Rays then choose A, a no-brainer.

                So on the 4th, the Angels have to go play the Rays in St. Pete, while the A's catch their breath. If the Rays win, the A's come in next. If the Angels win, they fly back across the country to host the A's on the 5th. Whichever team wins then flies to meet the Orioles (who have now had two days off) in Baltimore on the 6th.

                The winner of that game opens the ALDS at home on the 7th!
                Very well explained.

                So it's not a day-night double header as someone else previously suggested.
                Holding a pitcher accountable for how many runs his team scores is like holding the designated hitter accountable for how many runs his team allows.

                An individual statistic is meaningful only if it is based strictly on what the player does and not on what the other players on his team do.

                Contrary to what most baseball fans claim, a pitched ball which is hit into play is not a strike.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BiZmaRK View Post
                  Very well explained.

                  So it's not a day-night double header as someone else previously suggested.
                  Sorry for the confusion
                  I meant as a day-night double header telecast like shown on television/internet and other means
                  one game to be play in the afternoon and the other game in the evening


                  your question was how do they fit two games on oct 4?

                  my answer was one game in the afternoon with 2 teams and one game in the evening by the 2 other teams
                  otherwise known as a day-night doubleheader
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                  • #10
                    If the A's or Rangers and O's are tied for the wild card, where would the game be played?
                    If the A's or Rangers and Yankees are tied for the wild card, where would the game be played?
                    Would the location of either of those games be impacted by whether or not a tiebreaker game between the O's and Yankees is required?
                    Holding a pitcher accountable for how many runs his team scores is like holding the designated hitter accountable for how many runs his team allows.

                    An individual statistic is meaningful only if it is based strictly on what the player does and not on what the other players on his team do.

                    Contrary to what most baseball fans claim, a pitched ball which is hit into play is not a strike.

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