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    Did the Nationals manage the use of Strasburg properly?

    Now that the Nationals have been eliminated, their use of Stephen Strasburg has to be brought into question.

    If the Nationals didn't want Strasburg to pitch more than a certain amount of innings, then why didn't they either reduce the frequency of his starts or pitch him less innings in each of his starts? This was especially relevant when the Nationals had a big lead in their division. Had the Nationals been fighting for a playoff spot all season, then using the full quota of Strasburg innings during the season would have made more sense. But with the Nationals having a commanding lead for much of the season, they should have rested Strasburg during the season enough to have had him available for the playoffs.
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    They would have advanced to the NLCS if their bullpen didn't implode. Strasburg wouldn't have helped there.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by quagmire View Post
      They would have advanced to the NLCS if their bullpen didn't implode. Strasburg wouldn't have helped there.
      They wouldn't have needed to rely on their bullpen as much had Strasburg started two games in the series.
      Holding a pitcher accountable for how many runs his team scores is like holding the designated hitter accountable for how many runs his team allows.

      An individual statistic is meaningful only if it is based strictly on what the player does and not on what the other players on his team do.

      Contrary to what most baseball fans claim, a pitched ball which is hit into play is not a strike.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by BiZmaRK View Post
        They wouldn't have needed to rely on their bullpen as much had Strasburg started two games in the series.
        You can't say that. Especially since Strasburg wasn't pitching so hot before he got shut down and got murdered on his last start.

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        • #5
          Why not hold out Strasburg until May 15??? Then use him in the post season? OH if you ever get back in the post season.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by JR Hart View Post
            Why not hold out Strasburg until May 15??? Then use him in the post season? OH if you ever get back in the post season.
            I think this is because nobody expected such a season. we knew they have talent but most peope still thought they would be 3rd in their division at best. even after a month they were probably still not believing this is real (the indians led the division too till may 25th). they just did not plan for the PS and wanted to give them the best chance to stay in it as long as possible. and when they realized it was for real it was too late to change.
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            • #7
              Gonzalez would have started Game 1/5 whether Strasburg was active or not.

              "What if" question will be thrown all over the place due to their elimination.

              I view their bullpen failure to hold a six run lead in Game 5 as the main cause they were eliminated.

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              • #8
                They managed it the worst way possible and it cost them.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BondsOverBabe View Post
                  They managed it the worst way possible and it cost them.
                  I agree I really think had they had Strasberg they woulda won this series.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by dominik View Post
                    I think this is because nobody expected such a season. we knew they have talent but most peope still thought they would be 3rd in their division at best. even after a month they were probably still not believing this is real (the indians led the division too till may 25th). they just did not plan for the PS and wanted to give them the best chance to stay in it as long as possible. and when they realized it was for real it was too late to change.
                    Exactly. Although I might have given him a month off in August and then try and work him up again in September. Personally I think that should be enough time to recover somewhat but I am not a doctor.

                    I think all the derision for them doing what is best for their player is disgusting. Along the lines of old school nfl just shooting up injured players with painkillers and sending them back out there.

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                    • #11
                      No doubt a dominant starter can make a difference in a short series, but people are forgetting the fact that Strasburg really is more of a number 2 starter than a true ace. He is also young and not very experienced. If he was prime Pedro Martinez or Randy Johnson, then yeah i could see how not making him available for the playoff is a big mistake.
                      Last edited by willshad; 10-13-2012, 05:51 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dominik View Post
                        I think this is because nobody expected such a season. we knew they have talent but most peope still thought they would be 3rd in their division at best. even after a month they were probably still not believing this is real (the indians led the division too till may 25th).
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by NJYankeeFan View Post
                          Exactly. Although I might have given him a month off in August and then try and work him up again in September. Personally I think that should be enough time to recover somewhat but I am not a doctor.

                          I think all the derision for them doing what is best for their player is disgusting. Along the lines of old school nfl just shooting up injured players with painkillers and sending them back out there.

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                          That would be a solution too however I think statistically most pitching injuries happen in the first 2 months of the season or so. having a layoff and then start from zero to
                          full intensity is a risk too. I would have suggested to pitch him on 7-8 days rest in august and september and then bring him into the mix. however of course the long duration of the season is a risk too even if the load is lowered. It's hard to find the right solution here.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by willshad View Post
                            No doubt a dominant starter can make a difference in a short series, but people are forgetting the fact that Strasburg really is more of a number 2 starter than a true ace. He is also young and not very experienced. If he was prime Pedro Martinez or Randy Johnson, then yeah i could see how not making him available for the playoff is a big mistake.
                            well he certainly has the stuff to be an ace. but even if he only is a 3 starter this still would be an improvement over starting a guy like jackson (who can pitch well but sometimes also implodes). not saying they would have won with him but having a guy like him as third guy is super valuable.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by dominik View Post
                              I think this is because nobody expected such a season. we knew they have talent but most peope still thought they would be 3rd in their division at best. even after a month they were probably still not believing this is real (the indians led the division too till may 25th). they just did not plan for the PS and wanted to give them the best chance to stay in it as long as possible. and when they realized it was for real it was too late to change.
                              Then once they had a substantial lead, they should have held Strasburg out of the lineup enough so he could have played in the postseason.
                              Holding a pitcher accountable for how many runs his team scores is like holding the designated hitter accountable for how many runs his team allows.

                              An individual statistic is meaningful only if it is based strictly on what the player does and not on what the other players on his team do.

                              Contrary to what most baseball fans claim, a pitched ball which is hit into play is not a strike.

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