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    I read to day that Ortiz has signed a 2 year $26M contract with the Red Sox. In this economic climate I feel that is way over the top for a DH nearing the end of his career. Will there ever be a reducing in the overpaid salaries of some baseball players (and other professional sports people for that matter) or will the highest payments continue to spiral out of control?
    "A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz." ~Humphrey Bogart

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  • #2
    Originally posted by DownUnderDodger View Post
    I read to day that Ortiz has signed a 2 year $26M contract with the Red Sox. In this economic climate I feel that is way over the top for a DH nearing the end of his career. Will there ever be a reducing in the overpaid salaries of some baseball players (and other professional sports people for that matter) or will the highest payments continue to spiral out of control?
    Four questions:

    1) Who decides what a player should be paid?

    2) How much should David Ortiz be paid in your opinion?

    3) How did you arrive at this salary you answered for question 2?

    4) If you were in Ortiz's situation and the Red Sox offered you the same deal would you reply by saying, "No, that is too much money. Please pay me less."?
    Last edited by Honus Wagner Rules; 11-06-2012, 02:18 PM.
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    • #3
      If $13 million a year is too much for Ortiz, I would LOVE to know what he "should" be making.
      46 wins to match last year's total

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      • #4
        He was having one of the best seasons of his career prior to his injury. Considering he's played 145+ games 7 of his 8 previous seasons (sitting sometimes during IL play in NL parks), he has no string of risk except for his age. It's a short-term deal with very little risk since he's in the AL and he's been a fan favorite for quite some time. Even when you rebuild, you have to have some name players on the field when you have such high ticket prices or else people wouldn't buy them.
        "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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        • #5
          As long as he cheats as he's done in the past, it will be money well spent. And if he gets caught, the Red Sox won't have to pay him anyway while he's suspended.
          My top 10 players:

          1. Babe Ruth
          2. Barry Bonds
          3. Ty Cobb
          4. Ted Williams
          5. Willie Mays
          6. Alex Rodriguez
          7. Hank Aaron
          8. Honus Wagner
          9. Lou Gehrig
          10. Mickey Mantle

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          • #6
            Finally the Red Sox made a good move.

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            • #7
              Don't know if this is a money-oriented move, or a loyal one. Sure, Ortiz was having one of the best offensive stretches in his career, and now with the low run scoring production, well, is even more valuable. But, there's one thing: Free Agents to be, play at a higher lever for contract reasons. Sure, he had a year and a half tearing the league, but isn't that too much of a coincidence. Torii Hunter is in the same mold. had a very good season right when it mattered. The problem is, that teams always take the bait.

              Now, if it was a loyal thing, then be it. Ortiz has done a lot in Boston. His 10 year tenure is one of the greatest, if not the third greatest behind Williams and Yaz. But he brought home 2 WS titles. He's a fan favorite, and his work ethic says he can be productive for the remain of this contract.
              "I am not too serious about anything. I believe you have to enjoy yourself to get the most out of your ability."-
              George Brett

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              • #8
                So long as we the fans continue to pay the absurdly high price of admission to Major League games, MLB will continue to rake in serious revenues that will - deservedly so - make these players wealthy. I mean, as long as the revenue is there, it's either the players, the owners, or both, that will continue to get rich. If the players don't get it, the owners will. What we as fans should do - but never would because we don't act like an intelligent union like the players - is band together and strike against the lot of them until ticket prices are made reasonable again. The money is there, why shouldn't the players who entertain us the most earn most of it? I'd prefer that over making 30 rich guys a lot richer.
                San Francisco Giants, World Series Champions in 2010, 2012, and 2014!!!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Rich the Giants fan View Post
                  So long as we the fans continue to pay the absurdly high price of admission to Major League games, MLB will continue to rake in serious revenues that will - deservedly so - make these players wealthy. I mean, as long as the revenue is there, it's either the players, the owners, or both, that will continue to get rich. If the players don't get it, the owners will. What we as fans should do - but never would because we don't act like an intelligent union like the players - is band together and strike against the lot of them until ticket prices are made reasonable again. The money is there, why shouldn't the players who entertain us the most earn most of it? I'd prefer that over making 30 rich guys a lot richer.
                  Fan admission is hardly the only way teams make money. It's the TV (and TV advertising) money that is the big impact there. As long as that is there, the revenue stream flows freely. But, I agree the players deserve their fair take as opposed to the owners pocketing it all.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Captain Cold Nose View Post
                    Fan admission is hardly the only way teams make money. It's the TV (and TV advertising) money that is the big impact there. As long as that is there, the revenue stream flows freely. But, I agree the players deserve their fair take as opposed to the owners pocketing it all.
                    Your last sentence is something that we need to remember. If the players arent getting the money, then that must mean owners are.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Zoltan View Post
                      Your last sentence is something that we need to remember. If the players arent getting the money, then that must mean owners are.
                      Or the agents. Or any number of other interested parties.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by yankillaz View Post
                        Don't know if this is a money-oriented move, or a loyal one. Sure, Ortiz was having one of the best offensive stretches in his career, and now with the low run scoring production, well, is even more valuable. But, there's one thing: Free Agents to be, play at a higher lever for contract reasons. Sure, he had a year and a half tearing the league, but isn't that too much of a coincidence. Torii Hunter is in the same mold. had a very good season right when it mattered. The problem is, that teams always take the bait.

                        Now, if it was a loyal thing, then be it. Ortiz has done a lot in Boston. His 10 year tenure is one of the greatest, if not the third greatest behind Williams and Yaz. But he brought home 2 WS titles. He's a fan favorite, and his work ethic says he can be productive for the remain of this contract.
                        I don't want to nitpick this minor part of a good post, but Wade Boggs had a better Red Sox career than Ortiz by a pretty good margin.
                        My top 10 players:

                        1. Babe Ruth
                        2. Barry Bonds
                        3. Ty Cobb
                        4. Ted Williams
                        5. Willie Mays
                        6. Alex Rodriguez
                        7. Hank Aaron
                        8. Honus Wagner
                        9. Lou Gehrig
                        10. Mickey Mantle

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dgarza View Post
                          Or the agents. Or any number of other interested parties.
                          Agents for whom?
                          Dave Bill Tom George Mark Bob Ernie Soupy Dick Alex Sparky
                          Joe Gary MCA Emanuel Sonny Dave Earl Stan
                          Jonathan Neil Roger Anthony Ray Thomas Art Don
                          Gates Philip John Warrior Rik Casey Tony Horace
                          Robin Bill Ernie JEDI

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Captain Cold Nose View Post
                            Fan admission is hardly the only way teams make money. It's the TV (and TV advertising) money that is the big impact there. As long as that is there, the revenue stream flows freely. But, I agree the players deserve their fair take as opposed to the owners pocketing it all.
                            That is very true, good point. It's another reason why ticket prices should be lower, too. Baseball games should be easier for families to afford to go to.
                            San Francisco Giants, World Series Champions in 2010, 2012, and 2014!!!

                            "Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts" ~ Albert Einstein

                            "Royals wear crowns, but Champions Kiss the Ring" ~ Jeremy Affeldt

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Rich the Giants fan View Post
                              That is very true, good point. It's another reason why ticket prices should be lower, too. Baseball games should be easier for families to afford to go to.
                              It seems to me that families are going to minor league games as an alternative. Let's face it. Tickets will remain what the market will bear. As long as there's demand...

                              MiLB saw an increase for attendance once again in 2012 and surpassed 41 million thru the gate for the eighth consecutive season. If this is the case (families going for the alternative) then I'm sure the 176 clubs throughout minor league baseball are quite fine with MLB's ticket prices.

                              My uncle was a 15-year season ticket holder for the Phillies. Once he had a family with four kids and a new home, the Reading Phillies became his entertainment of choice for the next decade.

                              I look at sports (entertainment) as a luxury item. And with most - if not all - luxury items, there is often a high price tag attached.
                              "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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