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  • walter sobchak
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    Originally posted by Stolensingle View Post
    So maybe he peaked then?

    There have been ten such seasons at FG:

    Ruth 15.0 (1923)
    Ruth 13.9 (1921)
    Ruth 13.3 (1920)
    Ruth 13.0 (1927)
    Bonds 12.7 (2002)
    Ruth 12.5 (1924)
    Gehrig 12.5 (1927)
    Bonds 12.5 (2001)
    Hornsby 12.5 (1924)
    Ruth 12.0 (1926)

    There have been 56 10 WAR seasons at BBRef, 52 at FG. I can’t do complete searches at BBRef, but AFAIK, this is the list of players with more than one 10 rWAR season:

    Ruth (9)
    Hornsby (6)
    Mays (6)
    Cobb (3)
    Williams (3)
    Mantle (3)
    Bonds (3)
    Wagner (2)
    Gehrig (2)
    Yastrzemski (2)
    Trout (2)

    The fWAR > 10 list is similar:

    Ruth (9)
    Hornsby (6)
    Bonds (5)
    Williams (4)
    Mays (4)
    Cobb (3)
    Mantle (3)
    Wagner (2)
    Gehrig (2)
    Trout (2)

    And this is the list of most times led the league in fWAR, with the longest consecutive streak in ( ):

    Wagner 11 (9)
    Ruth 11 (4)*
    Hornsby 10 (4)
    Mays 9 (4)#
    Bonds 9 (4)#
    Williams 7 (4)
    Mantle 5 (4)#
    Rodriguez 5 (2)#
    Cobb 5 (2)
    Trout 5 (5)

    * - One season’s fWAR totals was a result of pitching as well as hitting.

    # - Led all position players in fWAR in an additional season (two additional seasons in the case of Bonds), but finished behind one or more pitchers in fWAR).
    That Ruth chap appears to have been pretty handy.

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  • brett
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    Originally posted by Yankillaz View Post
    Exactly!! Wait, what?
    Plateaued has he!

    -Yoda

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  • Stolensingle
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    Actually, several analysts have argued that Trout came into the majors at his peak, and has just maintained that, and his numbers certainly support that. There has also been work suggesting that the traditional view of players getting better from their early 20s to their late 20s may be outdated. Whether because of better earlier development or for other reasons, it seems that other players in the past ten years or so have also been at their peak in their early 20s.

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  • Yankillaz
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    Originally posted by brett View Post
    So technically, has he plateaued!
    Exactly!! Wait, what?

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  • brett
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    Originally posted by Yankillaz View Post
    Now this was a dumb post. Have we ever searched our dumbest posts around here. Like something written 4 years ago?

    On the topic. Mike Trout has peaked, the only thing is that his peak is 5 year long so far.
    So technically, he has plateaued!
    Last edited by brett; 09-30-2016, 07:05 PM.

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  • Yankillaz
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    Originally posted by Yankillaz View Post
    It's difficult to top that, even for him. In order to top what he did this season, we may be talking about a top 5 all time player by the time his career ends. And still, I like Harper better.
    Now this was a dumb post. Have we ever searched our dumbest posts around here. Like something written 4 years ago?

    On the topic. Mike Trout has peaked, the only thing is that his peak is 5 year long so far.

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  • Stolensingle
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    Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
    Trout would likely have done it as a 20 year old rookie if not for the late call-up.

    He had 10.8 WAR in 139 games. That's 12.6 per 162.
    So maybe he peaked then?

    There have been ten such seasons at FG:

    Ruth 15.0 (1923)
    Ruth 13.9 (1921)
    Ruth 13.3 (1920)
    Ruth 13.0 (1927)
    Bonds 12.7 (2002)
    Ruth 12.5 (1924)
    Gehrig 12.5 (1927)
    Bonds 12.5 (2001)
    Hornsby 12.5 (1924)
    Ruth 12.0 (1926)

    There have been 56 10 WAR seasons at BBRef, 52 at FG. I can’t do complete searches at BBRef, but AFAIK, this is the list of players with more than one 10 rWAR season:

    Ruth (9)
    Hornsby (6)
    Mays (6)
    Cobb (3)
    Williams (3)
    Mantle (3)
    Bonds (3)
    Wagner (2)
    Gehrig (2)
    Yastrzemski (2)
    Trout (2)

    The fWAR > 10 list is similar:

    Ruth (9)
    Hornsby (6)
    Bonds (5)
    Williams (4)
    Mays (4)
    Cobb (3)
    Mantle (3)
    Wagner (2)
    Gehrig (2)
    Trout (2)

    And this is the list of most times led the league in fWAR, with the longest consecutive streak in ( ):

    Wagner 11 (9)
    Ruth 11 (4)*
    Hornsby 10 (4)
    Mays 9 (4)#
    Bonds 9 (4)#
    Williams 7 (4)
    Mantle 5 (4)#
    Rodriguez 5 (2)#
    Cobb 5 (2)
    Trout 5 (5)

    * - One season’s fWAR totals was a result of pitching as well as hitting.

    # - Led all position players in fWAR in an additional season (two additional seasons in the case of Bonds), but finished behind one or more pitchers in fWAR. LaJoie led all position players in fWAR six times, but only three when pitchers were included.
    Last edited by Stolensingle; 09-30-2016, 12:06 PM.

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  • Stolensingle
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    Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
    Trout would likely have done it as a 20 year old rookie if not for the late call-up.

    He had 10.8 WAR in 139 games. That's 12.6 per 162.
    So maybe he peaked then?

    There have been ten such seasons at FG:

    Ruth 15.0 (1923)
    Ruth 13.9 (1921)
    Ruth 13.3 (1920)
    Ruth 13.0 (1927)
    Bonds 12.7 (2002)
    Ruth 12.5 (1924)
    Gehrig 12.5 (1927)
    Bonds 12.5 (2001)
    Hornsby 12.5 (1924)
    Ruth 12.0 (1926)

    There have been 56 10 WAR seasons at BBRef, 52 at FG. I can’t do complete searches at BBRef, but AFAIK, this is the list of players with more than one 10 rWAR season:

    Ruth (9)
    Hornsby (6)
    Mays (6)
    Cobb (3)
    Williams (3)
    Mantle (3)
    Bonds (3)
    Wagner (2)
    Gehrig (2)
    Yastrzemski (2)
    Trout (2)

    The fWAR > 10 list is similar:

    Ruth (9)
    Hornsby (6)
    Bonds (5)
    Williams (4)
    Mays (4)
    Cobb (3)
    Mantle (3)
    Wagner (2)
    Gehrig (2)
    Trout (2)

    And this is the list of most times led the league in fWAR, with the longest consecutive streak in ( ):

    Wagner 11 (9)
    Ruth 11 (4)*
    Hornsby 10 (4)
    Mays 9 (4)#
    Bonds 9 (4)#
    Williams 7 (4)
    Mantle 5 (4)#
    Rodriguez 5 (2)#
    Cobb 5 (2)
    Trout 5 (5)

    * - One season’s fWAR totals was a result of pitching as well as hitting.

    # - Led all position players in fWAR in an additional season (two additional seasons in the case of Bonds), but finished behind one or more pitchers in fWAR).

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  • GiambiJuice
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    Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
    A 12+ WAR season has only be done five times my three players.

    12+ WAR Seasons
    14.1 Babe Ruth 1923
    12.9 Babe Ruth 1921
    12.4 Babe Ruth 1927
    12.4 Carl Yastrzemski 1967
    12.1 Rogers Hornsby 1924

    I'd love to see Trout make a run at a 12 WAR season some day.
    Trout would likely have done it as a 20 year old rookie if not for the late call-up.

    He had 10.8 WAR in 139 games. That's 12.6 per 162.

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  • Honus Wagner Rules
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    A 12+ WAR season has only be done five times my three players.

    12+ WAR Seasons
    14.1 Babe Ruth 1923
    12.9 Babe Ruth 1921
    12.4 Babe Ruth 1927
    12.4 Carl Yastrzemski 1967
    12.1 Rogers Hornsby 1924

    I'd love to see Trout make a run at a 12 WAR season some day.

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  • GiambiJuice
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    Still nope.

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  • GiambiJuice
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    Nope.

    ...............

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  • Yankillaz
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    It's difficult to top that, even for him. In order to top what he did this season, we may be talking about a top 5 all time player by the time his career ends. And still, I like Harper better.

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  • Ben Grimm
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    I get nervous for these kids if they get brought up too fast. Some look good statistically in the minors, but still have holes in their game and are brought up needing more seasoning - especially when it comes to the 5-tool types. Seeing kids like Felix Pie, Corey Patterson, Rickie Weeks, Delmon Young, etc struggle with strike zones and such but pushed to the majors because of their power/speed combo.

    It's nice to see both Trout and Harper do well out of the gate. Then again, at least Trout was so polished it was almost ridiculous to leave him down in AAA. Some of his fallback later in the season may have been from being tired. IIRC, he had about 50 more PAs than any other time in his pro career in 2012. Being that he still has years to go before he's physically filled out, it'd be no surprise to me if he simply wore down - along with the mental pressures that came with it.

    He likely drops down a bit this year simply because last season isn't easy to replicate. But I think it's only a year or two before he's hitting 3rd in the order in front of Albert and putting up consistent high level seasons. If anything - and this goes for both Trout and Harper - I'd like to see them tone it down in the field and on the basepaths. They'll learn hopefully, that in a marathon such as baseball, self-preservation at times has its benefits. If they keep going at 100% all the time, they're much more likely to break down at an early age.

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  • Francoeurstein
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    That'd be scary if he hasn't yet.

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