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  • #1

    Giants Re-Sign Pagan...

    Four years / $40M.

    Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

    I really did not like seeing the Phils linked to him. Then again, the remaining options available on the FA market aren't all that appealing.

    Link >>>> http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/1...gel-pagan.html
    "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers
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  • #2
    Wow, that seems like a lot for a marginal player in his 30's. Quintessential Sabean signing.
    My top 10 players:

    1. Babe Ruth
    2. Barry Bonds
    3. Ty Cobb
    4. Ted Williams
    5. Willie Mays
    6. Alex Rodriguez
    7. Hank Aaron
    8. Honus Wagner
    9. Lou Gehrig
    10. Mickey Mantle

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    • #3
      Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
      Wow, that seems like a lot for a marginal player in his 30's. Quintessential Sabean signing.
      Totally agree. I wanted no part of a 30+ year old whose whole game relies on his legs.
      "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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      • #4
        Sabean would call him a 'proven winner' or a 'gamer'

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        • #5
          Unfortunately, it's one of those things that sometimes happens when you make it to - or win - the WS. You, as a GM, need to show the fans you're still looking to keep on winning and you tend to re-sign players who were on that championship team, even against better judgement. Last time the Giants won, i believe they re-signed Aubrey Huff - who was due FA at the time.
          "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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          • #6
            Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
            Wow, that seems like a lot for a marginal player in his 30's. Quintessential Sabean signing.
            I agree he is only making 5 mill less then Upton and he hardily seems close to as good as upton.
            All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. -Unknown

            A good head and a good heart are always a formidable combination. -Nelson Mandela

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            • #7
              Originally posted by RaysFan_98 View Post
              I agree he is only making 5 mill less then Upton and he hardily seems close to as good as upton.
              While Pagan was better than Upton in 2012, Upton is younger and has more talent and upside. He's gone 20/30 in each of the last 2 seasons. Only he and Braun have done that. He just needs to improve his plate discipline to reach his potential.
              My top 10 players:

              1. Babe Ruth
              2. Barry Bonds
              3. Ty Cobb
              4. Ted Williams
              5. Willie Mays
              6. Alex Rodriguez
              7. Hank Aaron
              8. Honus Wagner
              9. Lou Gehrig
              10. Mickey Mantle

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              • #8
                Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
                While Pagan was better than Upton in 2012, Upton is younger and has more talent and upside. He's gone 20/30 in each of the last 2 seasons. Only he and Braun have done that. He just needs to improve his plate discipline to reach his potential.
                One of the only FAs I wanted to see signed here in Philly as he adds so much this team needs - speed, power and RH-balance to the lineup. I've been saying for 2+ years that some team will reap the rewards of him coming into his own. Looks like it'll be the Braves as I still think he can put up some really nice power/speed seasons.
                "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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                • #9
                  So no Michael Bourne to SF? Unless one of the two would play LF. I wanted Pagan gone since this guy is just another Randy Winn - random guy who always kills the Dodgers.
                  Using a stolen chant from Boston Celtics fans whenever an L.A. team is playing up there just reeks of inferiority complex.

                  If hitting a baseball is the toughest thing to do in sports, then pitching must be the easiest thing to do in sports.

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                  • #10
                    Yeah that Brian Sabean doesn't know anything

                    What have the Giants ever accomplished?
                    1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ben Grimm View Post
                      Unfortunately, it's one of those things that sometimes happens when you make it to - or win - the WS. You, as a GM, need to show the fans you're still looking to keep on winning and you tend to re-sign players who were on that championship team, even against better judgement. Last time the Giants won, i believe they re-signed Aubrey Huff - who was due FA at the time.
                      Pagan was one of three players that Giants management was unanimous in prioritizing in re-signing

                      the deal is 7 mil, 9 mil 9 mil 10 mil with a 5 mil signing bonus

                      Two down one to go

                      having Lincecum return to anything close to his capabilities will be like a free bonus and unlike most pitchers he is not returning from a damaging injury just a very un-Lincecum like year
                      Last edited by 9RoyHobbsRF; 12-03-2012, 05:32 PM.
                      1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
                      2. Strat-O-Matic Baseball Player, Collector and Hobbyist since 1969, visit my strat site: http://forums.delphiforums.com/GamersParadise
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by RaysFan_98 View Post
                        I agree he is only making 5 mill less then Upton and he hardily seems close to as good as upton.
                        first Upton is getting 75.5 million, Pagan 40 million (I less year)

                        Upton has a .298 OB% and 169 K's on his 2012 resume

                        that is scary bad

                        basically the only thing upton is better at is hitting home runs and in case you are not aware, ATT Park is anathema to HR hitters

                        The Giants love his game which matches perfectly to their home park

                        Being a switch hitter is helpful too

                        In ROAD games, Pagan outslugged Upton .468 to .408

                        7 of Pagan's 8 HR were also hit in road parks
                        Last edited by 9RoyHobbsRF; 12-03-2012, 05:48 PM.
                        1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
                        2. Strat-O-Matic Baseball Player, Collector and Hobbyist since 1969, visit my strat site: http://forums.delphiforums.com/GamersParadise
                        3. My table top gaming blog: http://cary333.blogspot.com/

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post
                          first Upton is getting 75.5 million, Pagan 40 million (I less year)

                          Upton has a .298 OB% and 169 K's on his 2012 resume

                          that is scary bad

                          basically the only thing upton is better at is hitting home runs and in case you are not aware, ATT Park is anathema to HR hitters

                          The Giants love his game which matches perfectly to their home park

                          Being a switch hitter is helpful too

                          In ROAD games, Pagan outslugged Upton .468 to .408

                          7 of Pagan's 8 HR were also hit in road parks
                          scary bad? Hardily......

                          I think we also mentioned or rather GJ did Pagon is older then upton and more upside with upton.....
                          Last edited by RaysFan_98; 12-03-2012, 05:56 PM.
                          All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. -Unknown

                          A good head and a good heart are always a formidable combination. -Nelson Mandela

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by RaysFan_98 View Post
                            scary bad? Hardily......

                            I think we also mentioned or rather GJ did Pagon is older then upton and more upside with upton.....
                            75 mil vs 40 mil

                            the giants got the player they wanted at a market price that was pretty good (36 year old Torii Hunter 26 mil for 2 years? ouch)
                            1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
                            2. Strat-O-Matic Baseball Player, Collector and Hobbyist since 1969, visit my strat site: http://forums.delphiforums.com/GamersParadise
                            3. My table top gaming blog: http://cary333.blogspot.com/

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RaysFan_98 View Post
                              scary bad? Hardily......

                              I think we also mentioned or rather GJ did Pagon is older then upton and more upside with upton.....
                              Upside? Gonna be a huge star? Potential? Breakout season? This is gonna finally be the year? How many more lives does this cat have left in him?

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