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  • Swisher joins Tribe

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...s_mlb&c_id=mlb

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    I believe in all that - in baseball, in picnics, in freedom. Walt Whitman, 1888

  • #2
    Yo bro, that's a sweet deal, man.

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    • #3
      Yankee fan here, I won't miss him. Great team guy, I like that.
      But, too streaky and thats putting it mildly.
      For a few weeks you can't get him out.
      Then it happens, weeks when he can't buy a hit.

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      • #4
        It's somewhat interesting that this is the exact same contract given to Adam Dunn by the White Sox. If we compare it to that deal, it looks pretty good in comparison. Still not a good signing, IMO.
        My top 10 players:

        1. Babe Ruth
        2. Barry Bonds
        3. Ty Cobb
        4. Ted Williams
        5. Willie Mays
        6. Alex Rodriguez
        7. Hank Aaron
        8. Honus Wagner
        9. Lou Gehrig
        10. Mickey Mantle

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        • #5
          Swisher has 11.9 WAR (FanGraphs' version) in the last 3 seasons (2010-2012).

          That's 38th in baseball over that time.

          For comparison:
          Matt Kemp 12.8
          Alex Gordon 12.4
          Austin Jackson 12.4
          Justin Upton 11.9
          Brian McCann 11.6
          BJ Upton 11.5
          Matt Wieters 11.4
          Jimmy Rollins 11.3
          Corey Hart 10.6
          Mark Tiexira 10.4
          *http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...lter=&players=

          Don't get the Swisher hate. He's one of the better players in baseball

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          • #6
            Originally posted by filihok View Post

            Don't get the Swisher hate. He's one of the better players in baseball
            Whether it's justified or not, I believe most of the hate directed toward Swisher is due to his personality and antics, and not his abilities as a ballplayer.

            That, and also the fact that he's been a horrible postseason performer. Of the 251 players with at least 100 PAs in the postseason. Swisher has the 7th-worst batting average, at .169. Of the 83 players with at as many postseason PAs as Swisher, Swisher is dead last in BA.

            He is also 2 for his last 32 with RISP in the postseason, which is almost impossibly bad.
            Last edited by GiambiJuice; 12-24-2012, 12:25 PM.
            My top 10 players:

            1. Babe Ruth
            2. Barry Bonds
            3. Ty Cobb
            4. Ted Williams
            5. Willie Mays
            6. Alex Rodriguez
            7. Hank Aaron
            8. Honus Wagner
            9. Lou Gehrig
            10. Mickey Mantle

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            • #7
              Originally posted by SHOELESSJOE3 View Post
              Yankee fan here, I won't miss him. Great team guy, I like that.
              But, too streaky and thats putting it mildly.
              For a few weeks you can't get him out.
              Then it happens, weeks when he can't buy a hit.
              Not true.

              http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...er-volatility/
              Swisher was actually slightly less streaky than the average hitter in 2012.
              *Scroll to the end chart. Swisher'ss volatility rating was 6% less volatile than the average 2012 hitter.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by filihok View Post
                Not true.

                http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...er-volatility/
                Swisher was actually slightly less streaky than the average hitter in 2012.
                *Scroll to the end chart. Swisher'ss volatility rating was 6% less volatile than the average 2012 hitter.
                Ever submit a post which didn't include a link to Fangraphs? (I'm just messin', your posts are very informative and I've learned a lot from them)
                My top 10 players:

                1. Babe Ruth
                2. Barry Bonds
                3. Ty Cobb
                4. Ted Williams
                5. Willie Mays
                6. Alex Rodriguez
                7. Hank Aaron
                8. Honus Wagner
                9. Lou Gehrig
                10. Mickey Mantle

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by filihok View Post

                  Don't get the Swisher hate. He's one of the better players in baseball
                  Swisher would have been perfect for Seattle. Zduriencik better be working the phones for trades.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Phantom Dreamer View Post
                    Swisher would have been perfect for Seattle. Zduriencik better be working the phones for trades.
                    He would have. He also knows that Seattle wouldn't have been a good fit for him getting another big contract at the end of this one as Safeco reduces offense.

                    Not a lot of free agent hitters are attracted to the Mariners

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by filihok View Post
                      Not true.

                      http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...er-volatility/
                      Swisher was actually slightly less streaky than the average hitter in 2012.
                      *Scroll to the end chart. Swisher'ss volatility rating was 6% less volatile than the average 2012 hitter.
                      It is true, the formula at Fangraph uses OBA in it and Swisher does get a good number of walks, plays in his favor in that calculation..
                      Certainly not going to knock Swisher for having a great eye and getting the walks, valuable to the team.
                      In my post I did say he can go long periods where he can't buy a hit
                      Walks are great but there were times when the Yanks needed the hit and he was ice cold.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SHOELESSJOE3 View Post
                        It is true, the formula at Fangraph uses OBA in it and Swisher does get a good number of walks, plays in his favor in that calculation..
                        Certainly not going to knock Swisher for having a great eye and getting the walks, valuable to the team.
                        In my post I did say he can go long periods where he can't buy a hit
                        Walks are great but there were times when the Yanks needed the hit and he was ice cold.
                        Then you are free to recreate the metric using hits and excluding walks. Until then it is just your theory unsupported by evidence.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by filihok View Post
                          Then you are free to recreate the metric using hits and excluding walks. Until then it is just your theory unsupported by evidence.
                          How is it unsupported.
                          It's in black and white, plain to see, OBA a factor in the calculation and his high walk total or ratio is what puts him where he is on the list.
                          Not going to diminish Nick for having the ability to get on.
                          Again my post dealt with his getting the hit when needed.

                          Anyone want to do the math you suggest, go ahead. I'm only saying, he gets real cold at times but his walks play into his result in that formula.
                          I'm speaking of hits only.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SHOELESSJOE3 View Post
                            How is it unsupported.
                            It's in black and white, plain to see, OBA a factor in the calculation and his high walk total or ratio is what puts him where he is on the list.
                            Not going to diminish Nick for having the ability to get on.
                            Again my post dealt with his getting the hit when needed.

                            Anyone want to do the math you suggest, go ahead. I''m only saying, he gets real cold at timesbut his walks play into his result in that formula.
                            I'm speaking of hits only.
                            So do the math to support your point that he's streakier at getting hits than other players.


                            EDIT: And this study uses wOBA (which also includes walks) not OBA

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by filihok View Post
                              So do the math to support your point that he's streakier at getting hits than other players.


                              EDIT: And this study uses wOBA (which also includes walks) not OBA
                              I'm sure there are some others that are streakier than Nick hot and cold but as a Yankee fan and watching him so often, he's bad enough, enough that I don't see his leaving as a bad move for the Yanks. I could see Nick helping his new team.

                              Unfortunately for the Yanks his bad side usually shows in post season, overall post season with Yanks batting .170.

                              And a plus for him, there are times when he can go on a binge and really hit good, thats the good side of Nick.
                              Last edited by SHOELESSJOE3; 12-25-2012, 04:43 AM.

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