Whats the best way to gauge a Offence?

[RaysFan_98]

I was reading on mlb.com.....

Even though the offense received constant criticism, it did score 697 runs. When balanced against the 577 runs the team allowed, the Rays finished with an impressive run differential of plus-120, which was the third best in baseball behind the Nationals (plus-137) and the Yankees (plus-136).

The last team to rank in the top three in the Major Leagues in run differential but miss the playoffs was the 2005 Indians, who finished at plus-147 en route to a 93-69 mark.

The Rays' 577 runs allowed were the fewest by an AL team since the 1990 A's surrendered 570.

So is R/D a good way to measure a offence?

[dgarza]

So is R/D a good way to measure a offence?

Obviously not, since run differential takes both offense and defense into consideration. And offense measures only half of what R/D measures.

The best way to measure offense is to look at offense.

Asking if R/D is a good way to measure offense is like asking if Total WAR is a good way of handing out Gold Gloves or Silver Sluggers.

[GiambiJuice]

Number of runs scored is the best way to measure an offense. That's the sole purpose of an offense - to score as many runs as possible.

[RaysFan_98]

Number of runs scored is the best way to measure an offense. That's the sole purpose of an offense - to score as many runs as possible.

Perhaps but i was just curious.

[ian2813]

Number of runs scored is the best way to measure an offense. That's the sole purpose of an offense - to score as many runs as possible.

But you could also take into account park factors, strength of schedule, pitching staff, etc.

[Bothrops Atrox]

Was this whole thing just a guise to remind everybody that the Rays run differential was 3rd best in the majors? Surely you could have not even speculated for a second that a 650 -550 (R/D of 100) team had a better offense than a 800-750(R/D of 50) team.

[bluesky5]

Was this whole thing just a guise to remind everybody that the Rays run differential was 3rd best in the majors? Surely you could have not even speculated for a second that a 650 -550 (R/D of 100) team had a better offense than a 800-750(R/D of 50) team.

Ahhh MeeesorRaysFaaan98 you ha' sum' splainin' to doooo.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

I think R/D gives a good indicator of the quality of a team. Some denigrated the 2010 SF Giants as an inferior champion. Yet, they had a +114 R/D which was second in the NL. Not coincidently the Giants had the second best record in the NL as well. I forgot which poster it was but we went round and round about this. He even said the Giants would NEVER win another World Series with this group of players. Ha!

[Jackaroo Dave]

I think R/D gives a good indicator of the quality of a team. Some denigrated the 2010 SF Giants as an inferior champion. Yet, they had a +114 R/D which was second in the NL. Not coincidently the Giants had the second best record in the NL as well. I forgot which poster it was but we went round and round about this. He even said the Giants would NEVER win another World Series with this group of players. Ha!

For their back of the envelope uses, RD tracks WL about as well as the pythagorean formula with exponent 2. Maybe better. I don't know; I ran them once but I forgot.

[RaysFan_98]

Was this whole thing just a guise to remind everybody that the Rays run differential was 3rd best in the majors? Surely you could have not even speculated for a second that a 650 -550 (R/D of 100) team had a better offense than a 800-750(R/D of 50) team.

Nope was the only point of posting that to try and start something? I think it was

[Jackaroo Dave]

WL% = .500 + .00065RD yields a regression line that accounts for 91% of the variation in WL. This is comparable to pythagorean projection using an exponent of 1.81.

http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?108700-The-ten-runs-1-win-rule-of-thumb&highlight=jackaroo+dave+run+differential

[Bothrops Atrox]

Nope was the only point of posting that to try and start something? I think it was

Yeah - but I wasn't trying to disguise anything.

[OmartgSS]

Yep, runs scored for offense. During the season I like the SRS that BR runs that figures in strength of schedule/opponent.

[dominik]

Number of runs scored is the best way to measure an offense. That's the sole purpose of an offense - to score as many runs as possible.

it also depends on the park. 800 runs in YS or boston are not as impressive as 800 runs in san francisco or LA.

run differential is also missleading since 120 runs of differential are more in a low scoring park then in a high scoring park. you need to calculate pytharogan expectation to get a more telling result.

[filihok]

Whats the best way to gauge a Offence?

To Recap:
BA to Runs Scored = .56
ISO to Runs Scored = .56
OBP to Runs Scored = .64
SLG to Runs Scored = .85
OPS to Runs Scored = .90
wOBA to Runs Scored = .90

BA to Wins = .07
OBP to Wins = .17
SLG to Wins = .24
WAR to Wins = .83

It's quite obvious that OPS and wOBA are the best indicators of total offense and that WAR is the best measure of wins.

However none of these measures factor for league, park, DH, etc...

The best measure of offense is wRC+