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No one elected to Hall of Fame by BBWAA for the first time since 1996. Greg Biggio led the voting with %68.2. What are your thoughts?
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I was expecting Morris to get that "bulldog bump", but clearly he did not. Everything else went as I expected; I knew they wouldn't see Biggio worthy of being elected on the first ballot despite 3,000 hits in his career and that Mike Piazza would get the "Bagwell" treatment.Originally posted by MD Diamond Sports View Post
46 wins to match last year's total -
Craig Biggio, 68 percent
Jeff Bagwell, 64.4 percent
Jack Morris, 64 percent
Tim Raines, 63.2 percent
Mike Piazza, 61.6 percent
Roger Clemens, 44.8 percent
Barry Bonds, 44.8 percent
I am surprised that Piazza got that high of percentage of the votes. I think it's clear Bagwell and Piazza will get elected in the newt few years.Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash DavisComment
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Interesting. What are the odds that the same exact voters selected them?Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post"Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee BrewersComment
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I agree with you. However, I thought that the 3,000 hits + Second Baseman would get Biggio in.Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan View PostComment
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Where did you get your numbers? Greg Johns said Clemens got 37.6% and Bonds got 36.2%.Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View PostComment
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Epic fail by the voters. The only people that should have a vote, in any sport, are the players who played the game, and the coaches who coached it. Instead, in baseball, we have a bunch of blowhards whose only contribution to the game is their opinion. Bravo, baseball, bravo. Media people shouldn't be voting in awards and other things like HOF Voting.Originally posted by MD Diamond Sports View PostAll it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. -Unknown
A good head and a good heart are always a formidable combination. -Nelson MandelaComment
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You would think 100% except the vote tracker had them slightly different. Or there could be a wacko like me who is coming around to inventing the notion that Clemens started after the shouldr/arm surgeries in '84-'85, which makes his playoff blowup -temper tantrum v. A's @ '90 seem more 'roid rage than highly strung nutjob.Originally posted by Ben Grimm View Post
It's a shame that Morris and his near 4.00 ERA and her pitched in the 70s/80s fer crying out loud is close. I like him. Liked him but the mythologization is just too much, and I presume so is my point of view.Comment
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Very bad showing for Curt Schilling. He ended up next to Bonds and Clemens %-wise.
Looks like it will be a long wait for him.
I hope Piazza, Bagwell, and Biggio get in next year.Comment
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From here.Originally posted by Phantom Dreamer View Post
But I misread the web page. These are not the actual HoF votes. Please disregard my previous post. Sorry...Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash DavisComment
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These numbers are incorrect.Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
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Biggio: 68.2
Morris: 67.7
Bagwell: 59.6
Piazza: 57.8
Raines: 52.2
Smith: 47.8
Schilling: 38.8
Clemens: 37.6
Bonds: 36.2
Martinez: 35.9Comment
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^It IS 37%/36% for Clemens/Bonds.
And why were you surprised Piazza got such a high number?
Best hitting catcher ever, no concrete link to steroids, great personality, friendly voting bases in those media meccas LA and NY...
Piazza was a sure 60% at least, I thought; 58% is close...he'll probably get in...Biggio will...Bagwell hopefully will...
I feel sorry for Jack Morris, though--with Maddux heading such a great pitching crop next year, he may not get a big enough bump (though if he doesn't, the VC will surely help him along in time...)"Ya Gotta Believe!" -Tug McGraw ... "How we deal with death is at least as important as how we deal with life." -James T. Kirk ... "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." -Sherlock Holmes ... "It is out of the deepest depth that the highest must come to its height." -Friedrich Nietzsche ... "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." HamletComment
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Looks like some do care about steroid use.
The two big names got their answer, Bonds and Clemens.
The message is, the road you chose to go down will cost you.
I am almost sure that they get in later, but by turning away two who if clean, should be no doubters first time, the message is some voters care about PED use.
Obviously both these guys clean would be a sure bet first time around. So the message is clear, PED use, making them wait.Comment
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How did Sandy Alomar, Jr. manage to get 2.8% of the vote?Comment
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I don't think it was too terrible for Schilling...not BAD, but not terrible--he may be the next Jack Morris on the ballot the next 14 years, ie, steadily climbing based on that playoff performance...he isn't linked to steroids, so that may help him...Originally posted by redban View Post
I hope Bagwell and especially Biggio and my childhood hero Piazza get in--
You CAN'T keep out one guy with 3,000 hits and the other the best hitting catcher of all-time when neither have a concrete link to steroids!"Ya Gotta Believe!" -Tug McGraw ... "How we deal with death is at least as important as how we deal with life." -James T. Kirk ... "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." -Sherlock Holmes ... "It is out of the deepest depth that the highest must come to its height." -Friedrich Nietzsche ... "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." HamletComment
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