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    This should be interesting - too bad it took so long to get the Players Union on board.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...s_mlb&c_id=mlb
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    I think it's too late. Pharma-players will get the newest and greatest, and like most things - they'll be ahead of the "law" while the system plays catchup. HGH should have been done 10 years ago, but baseball cannot crack the union whatsoever, so they get the scraps and call it a success.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Ben Grimm View Post
      I think it's too late. Pharma-players will get the newest and greatest, and like most things - they'll be ahead of the "law" while the system plays catchup. HGH should have been done 10 years ago, but baseball cannot crack the union whatsoever, so they get the scraps and call it a success.
      Surprised not much commenting on this one, it's a big leap, I like it.
      Sure Ben the labs will always be working hard to make some PED' undetectable.
      But not all are undetectable and the key word is unscheduled, that has to scare some off, you don't know when it's coming.
      One more item if I got it right. Players will have to submit a sample that will be kept on file, with testosterone level.
      That will also be tested randomly and if the random level is higher than the earlier sample that was saved, then they dig deeper.

      I don't see how it could be too late, it just took a while, it has to make potential users think.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by SHOELESSJOE3 View Post
        Surprised not much commenting on this one, it's a big leap, I like it.
        Sure Ben the labs will always be working hard to make some PED' undetectable.
        But not all are undetectable and the key word is unscheduled, that has to scare some off, you don't know when it's coming.
        One more item if I got it right. Players will have to submit a sample that will be kept on file, with testosterone level.
        That will also be tested randomly and if the random level is higher than the earlier sample that was saved, then they dig deeper.

        I don't see how it could be too late, it just took a while, it has to make potential users think.
        Yea, it certainly can't hurt. Better late than never I guess.
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        • #5
          Low scoring eras suck, this testing is bad news.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by SHOELESSJOE3 View Post
            Surprised not much commenting on this one, it's a big leap, I like it.
            Sure Ben the labs will always be working hard to make some PED' undetectable.
            But not all are undetectable and the key word is unscheduled, that has to scare some off, you don't know when it's coming.
            One more item if I got it right. Players will have to submit a sample that will be kept on file, with testosterone level.
            That will also be tested randomly and if the random level is higher than the earlier sample that was saved, then they dig deeper.

            I don't see how it could be too late, it just took a while, it has to make potential users think.
            Tests for HGH are obsolete right now. I know this from personal experience. These tests will have no effect on anything. Try watching a NFL game. Or better yet go to a dance club and check out the security staff. The fact is that so many folks are totally obsessed with the misguided notion that stats can be compared to stats from different eras.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Steven Gallanter View Post
              Tests for HGH are obsolete right now. I know this from personal experience. These tests will have no effect on anything. Try watching a NFL game. Or better yet go to a dance club and check out the security staff. The fact is that so many folks are totally obsessed with the misguided notion that stats can be compared to stats from different eras.
              You lost me with the security staff at dance clubs. Since when are bouncers tested for PED's?
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              • #8
                The only people that will be caught are the ones not doing it right.

                Synthetic testosterone leaves the system 36 hours after the last injection.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post
                  Yea, it certainly can't hurt. Better late than never I guess.
                  Still done before the NFL...
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ben Grimm View Post
                    I think it's too late. Pharma-players will get the newest and greatest, and like most things - they'll be ahead of the "law" while the system plays catchup. HGH should have been done 10 years ago, but baseball cannot crack the union whatsoever, so they get the scraps and call it a success.
                    Did you know that athletes in sports have been abusing HGH since the early 80's? A testing procedure for it didn't get under way until the late 90's. It was only in 2002 that the first positive test for a designer anabolic steroid was made. Two years later the Olympics put an HGH test in place that has only caught 8 people worldwide and none of those have been in the Olympics. The window of even catching someone under that test was one to two days. The new test that was unleashed only last year raises that window to one to possibly three weeks.

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                    • #11
                      How does this compare to other leagues? Does the NBA even test for steroids and HGH?
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                      • #12
                        It doesn't go into too much detail but here is a brief overview of other sports: http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/biz-b...a-nhl-olympics

                        EDIT- here is baseballs protocols for comparison: http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/biz-b...ug-testing-mlb
                        Last edited by brewcrew82; 01-11-2013, 06:15 AM.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Afterglow View Post
                          The only people that will be caught are the ones not doing it right.

                          Synthetic testosterone leaves the system 36 hours after the last injection.
                          But it won't only be tested for testosterone level also PED.
                          Are you trying to shoot down unscheduled testing, I think it scares off lots of potential users.
                          Lets face it no drug testing program is perfect but now with unscheduled testing, it's more risky.

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                          • #14
                            The NBA's policy seems pretty weak in comparison. Who's to say 85% percent of the players aren't roided up? The NHL doesn't even bother testing during the playoffs and offseason. I guess that explains the postseason facial hair, what a joke. I just assume every football player is on some sort of PED, and nearly every former lineman turned broadcaster seems to lose 60 lbs after their playing days are done.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Steven Gallanter View Post
                              Tests for HGH are obsolete right now. I know this from personal experience. These tests will have no effect on anything. Try watching a NFL game. Or better yet go to a dance club and check out the security staff. The fact is that so many folks are totally obsessed with the misguided notion that stats can be compared to stats from different eras.
                              Doesn't look that way Steve, in the last couple of seasons some have been caught using.
                              Not to deny any drug testing program will be perfect. It's always a battle the swings both ways. The labs getting ahead of the testers, the testers catching up, the labs trying get ahead, it never ends.


                              The biggest gain, the key word............unscheduled, your going to really think it over to use now. Yes some are still undetectable but not all are. Are you going to risk using, then you get that unscheduled call. Of course there will still be some dummies who will, but it has to reduce the number of users.

                              Or, we could see it your way Steve, throw our hands up in the air and say, the hell with it, we can't catch them all, do away with testing.
                              What make more sense, do the best we could or stop all testing, come on.

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