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The Marlins' move to a new stadium proved that a new stadium can improve your attendance. Of course, that was before Loria blew up the team again. The only good thing for Tampa baseball fans is that relocations in MLB don't happen overnight like they do in the NBA since arenas in this country are a dime a dozen. In baseball, only MLB cities have big ballparks.
Wow, that St. Pete mayor is really stubborn. I'm guessing that if he was the mayor back when the Lightning were still playing at the Trop, he would've also refused to let them relocate to Tampa.Using a stolen chant from Boston Celtics fans whenever an L.A. team is playing up there just reeks of inferiority complex.
If hitting a baseball is the toughest thing to do in sports, then pitching must be the easiest thing to do in sports.
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MLB hasn't lost faith. It's that bloody St. Pete mayor's fault. If he won't let the Rays leave or build a new stadium, he's got no one to blame but himself.It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
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The Rays draw badly because the stadium is far away but because the stadium is far away from the population center, no one goes to games. Is this correct?
I really hope the Rays get a new ballpark at some point. They deserve it more than Jeffy Loria.The Mets have the best, smartest fans in baseball.
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Originally posted by UnderPressure View PostThe Marlins' move to a new stadium proved that a new stadium can improve your attendance. Of course, that was before Loria blew up the team again. The only good thing for Tampa baseball fans is that relocations in MLB don't happen overnight like they do in the NBA since arenas in this country are a dime a dozen. In baseball, only MLB cities have big ballparks.
Wow, that St. Pete mayor is really stubborn. I'm guessing that if he was the mayor back when the Lightning were still playing at the Trop, he would've also refused to let them relocate to Tampa.Originally posted by Mr. Laser Beam View PostMLB hasn't lost faith. It's that bloody St. Pete mayor's fault. If he won't let the Rays leave or build a new stadium, he's got no one to blame but himself.All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. -Unknown
A good head and a good heart are always a formidable combination. -Nelson Mandela
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Originally posted by Blue387 View PostThe Rays draw badly because the stadium is far away but because the stadium is far away from the population center, no one goes to games. Is this correct?
I really hope the Rays get a new ballpark at some point. They deserve it more than Jeffy Loria.All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. -Unknown
A good head and a good heart are always a formidable combination. -Nelson Mandela
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How different is Tampa from St. Pete? It's like Twin Cities like Minneapolis-St. Paul and Dallas-Fort Worth, or the triplets - San Fran-Oakland-San Jose.Using a stolen chant from Boston Celtics fans whenever an L.A. team is playing up there just reeks of inferiority complex.
If hitting a baseball is the toughest thing to do in sports, then pitching must be the easiest thing to do in sports.
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Originally posted by UnderPressure View PostHow different is Tampa from St. Pete? It's like Twin Cities like Minneapolis-St. Paul and Dallas-Fort Worth, or the triplets - San Fran-Oakland-San Jose.All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. -Unknown
A good head and a good heart are always a formidable combination. -Nelson Mandela
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It's 20 miles on I-275 that keeps residents of Tampa from attending games. And much of that 20 miles an absolutely gorgeous drive over the water of Tampa Bay. Somehow it's been put into their heads that a 30 minute drive to get to the ballpark is a long time. Keep in mind that there is also plenty of cheap/safe parking at the Trop.
I would venture to guess that 99% of all MLB fans allow for 30 minutes to go by between getting into their car and going through the gate. Not in Florida though....
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Originally posted by Yaz View PostIt's 20 miles on I-275 that keeps residents of Tampa from attending games. And much of that 20 miles an absolutely gorgeous drive over the water of Tampa Bay. Somehow it's been put into their heads that a 30 minute drive to get to the ballpark is a long time. Keep in mind that there is also plenty of cheap/safe parking at the Trop.
I would venture to guess that 99% of all MLB fans allow for 30 minutes to go by between getting into their car and going through the gate. Not in Florida though....
The fact Tampa people can't make a 30 minute drive, that is a joke.....
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Originally posted by quagmire View PostBefore the Nats came to DC and the O's were good, a lot of people would make the hour drive from the DC area to Camden Yards
Unfortunately, the Trop doesn't have the luxury of transit access, so it's harder for fans to get there. Not everybody wants, or likes, to drive, and some can't. I'm sure there are many reasons why there is no mass transit down there, but the fact remains, if there isn't any, it's going to be harder for fans to reach the ballpark. No matter how much parking is available.It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
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Originally posted by Mr. Laser Beam View PostAnd fans still are fond of taking the train down there too.
Unfortunately, the Trop doesn't have the luxury of transit access, so it's harder for fans to get there. Not everybody wants, or likes, to drive, and some can't. I'm sure there are many reasons why there is no mass transit down there, but the fact remains, if there isn't any, it's going to be harder for fans to reach the ballpark. No matter how much parking is available.
Maybe Yankee fans are a bit special in that they will travel far to see their team, but it shows how Tampa residents either find a 30 minute drive long or are just not baseball people. It can't just because of the Trop. It isn't the best baseball stadium in the world( the food is lacking....), but if DC fans could tolerate RFK while Nats Park was being built, the fans can tolerate the Trop especially with the team being playing extremely well.Last edited by quagmire; 01-27-2013, 10:07 AM.
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Originally posted by Mr. Laser Beam View PostAnd fans still are fond of taking the train down there too.
Unfortunately, the Trop doesn't have the luxury of transit access, so it's harder for fans to get there. Not everybody wants, or likes, to drive, and some can't. I'm sure there are many reasons why there is no mass transit down there, but the fact remains, if there isn't any, it's going to be harder for fans to reach the ballpark. No matter how much parking is available.All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. -Unknown
A good head and a good heart are always a formidable combination. -Nelson Mandela
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It's too bad, but Forbes publishes business facts about baseball teams each year.
Rays 2010
Attendance 1.865M, gate receipts $34M, player cost $80M, profit $16M http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/33/...ys_337975.html
Rays 2012
Attendance 1.560M, gate receipts $34M, player cost $64M, profit $26M http://www.forbes.com/teams/tampa-bay-rays/
A) The Rays cut player costs from $80M to $64M, that is cutting players.
B) on 17% 1ess attendance, the Rays made the same amount from gate receipts. Ticket price increases are never the way to go as you cut stars, still gate receipts have not declined.
C) The Rays profits went from $16M to $26M. This made them the 5th HIGHEST profit of any team.
D) The Rays profit of $26M on a value of $323M gave them the 2nd HIGHEST profit return of any team in baseball.
E) The Rays signed a poor TV contract in 2008 that they wish they could renegotiate. The stadium is not the issue since gate receipts have not changed.
Bottom line: people who want to cut costs and raise ticket prices and then gain maximum profits should not cry about it on the way to the bank. Take the money, shut the mouth.Last edited by drstrangelove; 01-27-2013, 10:47 AM."It's better to look good, than be good."
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