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Mike Trout is at it again...

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  • Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post

    Interesting.

    Can Jackie Robinson sneak onto this list with his 50.6 WAR through 1036 games?

    Tris Speaker's 55.8 through 1065 games?
    I think Speaker just misses the cut, though some guess work is involved, and I won't guarantee that I didn't miss anyone for the top ten. But Trout is definitely ahead of everyone except Ruth and Williams.

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    • Mike has broken out of his brief slump in a big way, hitting 4 hone runs in his last two games (both losses, Angels stink).

      Trout now leads the Majors, not just the AL, in:

      HR
      R
      XBH
      TB
      OBP
      BB
      OPS+
      WAR

      and more...
      Last edited by GiambiJuice; 06-13-2018, 05:14 AM.
      My top 10 players:

      1. Babe Ruth
      2. Barry Bonds
      3. Ty Cobb
      4. Ted Williams
      5. Willie Mays
      6. Alex Rodriguez
      7. Hank Aaron
      8. Honus Wagner
      9. Lou Gehrig
      10. Mickey Mantle

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      • He has 6.0 WAR at BBRef, and the season is not half over yet. Even if he regresses to his normal, say a pace of 9-10 WAR for 162 games, he would finish the season with 11-12 rWAR. Even "only" 10 WAR would be his third such season, joining a very select group of players who have managed that: Ruth, Hornsby, Bonds, Williams, Mays, Mantle, and Cobb.

        But could he become the first player to hit 50 HR and drive in < 100 runs? The fewest RBI by a 50 HR hitter seems to be Brady Anderson with 110. The most HR by a hitter who failed to drive in 100? Alfonso Soriano was 46/95 in 2006. Bonds (2003) was 45/90, and Killebrew (1963) was 45/96. But when Bonds hit 73 in 2001, he had only 98 RBI when hit his 50th. Trout currently on a pace for 55/105.
        Last edited by Stolensingle; 06-13-2018, 02:13 PM.

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        • Trout is hitting .323/.450/.685 through 71 games. His OPS+ is 212.

          To put the 212 OPS+ into context, it's about the same as Frank Thomas and Jeff Bagwell had in 1994, when they hit .353/.487/.729 and .368/.451/.750 respectively.

          His rate stats this year remind me of Barry Bonds circa 1993.
          My top 10 players:

          1. Babe Ruth
          2. Barry Bonds
          3. Ty Cobb
          4. Ted Williams
          5. Willie Mays
          6. Alex Rodriguez
          7. Hank Aaron
          8. Honus Wagner
          9. Lou Gehrig
          10. Mickey Mantle

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          • Originally posted by Stolensingle View Post
            He has 6.0 WAR at BBRef, and the season is not half over yet. Even if he regresses to his normal, say a pace of 9-10 WAR for 162 games, he would finish the season with 11-12 rWAR. Even "only" 10 WAR would be his third such season, joining a very select group of players who have managed that: Ruth, Hornsby, Bonds, Williams, Mays, Mantle, and Cobb.

            But could he become the first player to hit 50 HR and drive in < 100 runs? The fewest RBI by a 50 HR hitter seems to be Brady Anderson with 110. The most HR by a hitter who failed to drive in 100? Alfonso Soriano was 46/95 in 2006. Bonds (2003) was 45/90, and Killebrew (1963) was 45/96. But when Bonds hit 73 in 2001, he had only 98 RBI when hit his 50th. Trout currently on a pace for 55/105.
            A lot of solo dingers for Bonds it seems. Bonds did set a career high with 137 RBI in 2001.
            Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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            • I know Trout gets compared to Mickey Mantle all the time. So in your mind who is "better" through age 26?
              Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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              • Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
                I know Trout gets compared to Mickey Mantle all the time. So in your mind who is "better" through age 26?
                I think they are very very close and I can't say that either player has a clear edge. I suppose it all comes down to how much stock you put into today's LQ being significantly higher than the 1950's AL. If it is significantly harder to dominate today then what Trout is doing is more impressive than what Mantle did.

                With that said I think Trout has been more consistent but he hasn't reached the heights that Mantle reached in 1956 and 1957, and he probably never will (only about 5 players ever have IMO).
                Last edited by GiambiJuice; Today, 11:13 AM.
                My top 10 players:

                1. Babe Ruth
                2. Barry Bonds
                3. Ty Cobb
                4. Ted Williams
                5. Willie Mays
                6. Alex Rodriguez
                7. Hank Aaron
                8. Honus Wagner
                9. Lou Gehrig
                10. Mickey Mantle

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                • Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post

                  I think they are very very close and I can't say that either player has a clear edge. I suppose it all comes down to how much stock you put into today's LQ being significantly higher than the 1950's AL. If it is significantly harder to dominate today than what Trout is doing is more impressive than what Mantle did.

                  With that said I think Trout has been more consistent but he hasn't reached the heights that Mantle reached in 1956 and 1957, and he probably never will (only about 5 players ever have IMO).
                  I think that's reasonable. Trout could, in context, end up being like Hank Aaron. Consistently excellent without really having an "all-time great" season.
                  46 wins to match last year's total

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                  • Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post

                    I think that's reasonable. Trout could, in context, end up being like Hank Aaron. Consistently excellent without really having an "all-time great" season.
                    Don't get me wrong, I think Trout has already had a few "all-time great" seasons (so did Aaron), though of course that term is entirely subjective.
                    My top 10 players:

                    1. Babe Ruth
                    2. Barry Bonds
                    3. Ty Cobb
                    4. Ted Williams
                    5. Willie Mays
                    6. Alex Rodriguez
                    7. Hank Aaron
                    8. Honus Wagner
                    9. Lou Gehrig
                    10. Mickey Mantle

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                    • Since WW2, most runs scored through 997 career games:

                      1 Mickey Mantle 797
                      2 Rickey Henderson 792
                      3 Alex Rodriguez 790
                      4 Albert Pujols 787
                      5 Kenny Lofton 761
                      6 Derek Jeter 757
                      7 Bobby Bonds 757
                      8 Mike Trout 752
                      9 Jackie Robinson 738
                      10 Todd Helton 732

                      BOBBY Bonds?? Well that one was quite a shocker to me. I never would have guessed he scored 110+ runs in 5 straight seasons for the 1969-1973 SF Giants, twice leading the league. I knew he has good power and speed and drew his share of walks, but his OBPs were just good, never great.
                      My top 10 players:

                      1. Babe Ruth
                      2. Barry Bonds
                      3. Ty Cobb
                      4. Ted Williams
                      5. Willie Mays
                      6. Alex Rodriguez
                      7. Hank Aaron
                      8. Honus Wagner
                      9. Lou Gehrig
                      10. Mickey Mantle

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                      • Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post

                        I think they are very very close and I can't say that either player has a clear edge. I suppose it all comes down to how much stock you put into today's LQ being significantly higher than the 1950's AL. If it is significantly harder to dominate today then what Trout is doing is more impressive than what Mantle did.

                        With that said I think Trout has been more consistent but he hasn't reached the heights that Mantle reached in 1956 and 1957, and he probably never will (only about 5 players ever have IMO).
                        Agree with all of this. If there's one thing Trout doesn't get enough credit for, even from some hard-core fans, it's his consistency. He may never have a season for the ages, but he keeps putting up outstanding performances year after year after year.

                        He now has 6.1 fWAR. What’s the record for WAR at the All Star break? The FG search function allows you to determine first half stats only as far back as 1974. In that 45 year stretch, including this year, there have been 13 players with 6.0 or more fWAR, including Trout this year. The highest value—this came as a surprise to me—was Joe Morgan, with 7.0 in 1975. He did this in just 83 games, and finished the season with 11.0 fWAR. He had only 17 HR and a SLG just over .500 for the season, but stole 67 bases and had a high defensive rating.

                        Bonds is the only player during that period who did it more than once--four times, his highest being 6.7 in 2002. That is the second highest first half WAR during that period. After that, Cabrera in 2013 and Thomas in 1994 had 6.4.

                        Of course, a red hot period before the ASG is no guarantee of more of the same after. Trout’s personal best, prior to this season, was 5.8 in 2014. But that turned out to be his worst season, WAR-wise, till last year when he was injured, as he finished with just 8.3. As noted above, Cabrera had 6.4 at the ASG in 2013, but finished with 8.6. Bautista had 6.0 in 2001, and finished with 8.1.
                        Last edited by Stolensingle; Today, 12:48 PM.

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