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  • Justin Morneau traded to Pirates

    They are really stocking up.

    In another aggressive personnel move, the Pittsburgh Pirates acquired Minnesota Twins first baseman Justin Morneau on Saturday.

    The Pirates entered Saturday tied for the AL Central lead with the St. Louis Cardinals. They're on the verge of their first winning season since 1992. Earlier this week, the Pirates acquired outfielder Marlon Byrd and catcher John Buck from the Mets.


    Read more:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...twins/2751403/

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    good for them
    I like what they are doing this year
    they are going all out
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    • #3
      When was the last time the Pirates made such a deal? Morneau may not be what he one was, but it's great to see them as a buyer in September for a change.


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      • #4
        Originally posted by Cowtipper View Post
        They are really stocking up.

        In another aggressive personnel move, the Pittsburgh Pirates acquired Minnesota Twins first baseman Justin Morneau on Saturday.

        The Pirates entered Saturday tied for the AL Central lead with the St. Louis Cardinals. They're on the verge of their first winning season since 1992. Earlier this week, the Pirates acquired outfielder Marlon Byrd and catcher John Buck from the Mets.


        Read more:

        http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...twins/2751403/
        When did the Pirates and Cardinals get moved to the AL Central?
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        • #5
          Here is what I wrote earlier tonight re: the trade



          The Pirates have added Morneau, Buck, and Byrd to strengthen some of their biggest weaknesses. The Cards have picked up a washed up middle reliever and sent down their best option to replace our horrific #4-#5 starter spots (Wacha).

          The Cards refusal to upgrade the back- end of the rotation and shortstop show that the Cardinals are likely 1.overvaluing/overrating their top prospects and 2. Being (as usually) very arrogant, expecting to win because "we are the Cardinals and always win." I am not supporting giving up Wong and Tavaras and Wacha, etc., but to do nothing? And I know there are not tons of great SS's or SP's out there for the taking, but it is not hard to replace a below replacement Kozma/DD or our awful 5th stater hole.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post
            And I know there are not tons of great SS's or SP's out there for the taking, but it is not hard to replace a below replacement Kozma/DD or our awful 5th stater hole.
            So who do you pick up? You first state there isn't much out there, but then tell us it's not hard to find these replacements? And Wacha will be back up on Tuesday. They have to play by the rules.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bulldog19 View Post
              So who do you pick up? You first state there isn't much out there, but then tell us it's not hard to find these replacements? And Wacha will be back up on Tuesday. They have to play by the rules.
              You just have to be better than below replacement to improve. There are no 1 WAR players available at SS? There are no 1 WAR starters available? They have made shrewd and smart moves at trade deadlines forever and now they can't? The Pirates can find guys but we can't?

              I don't know who all of these people are - that isn't my job.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Bulldog19 View Post
                So who do you pick up? You first state there isn't much out there, but then tell us it's not hard to find these replacements? And Wacha will be back up on Tuesday. They have to play by the rules.
                Really? Heck, bulldog, YOU may be an upgrade at either SS or #4-5 SP! Mo really wouldn't have to look far, I don't think, to replace the holes we have there. Bothrops is more upset (and I totally agree) at the attitude of Mo and his comments a month or so ago when he arrogantly said we didn't need to upgrade anything. That attitude at a time the Cardinals were falling from first, and continued refusal to upgrade in our weak spots, is beyond frustrating. It is even insulting, as if he can convince the fan base that this team is as good as any team can get, and therefore needs no upgrades! Ridiculous.

                Good job Pirates. Not the best players in the league, but if they are filling up the necessary holes in the boat, you can stay afloat. The Cardinals GM will continue to stare in the mirror smiling to himself, playing his fiddle, as Rome burns down around him.
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                • #9
                  The Pirates have made significant moves- a veteran righthanded hitter with power and a track record in left (to replace the injured Marte), a decent veteran catcher with some power to spell Martin, and a veteran lefthanded first baseman with a good history. Morneau's hitting very well lately. He can replace Jones at first, who's been mostly poor this year. IF Jones starts hitting again he can platoon with Tabata in right, and Sanchez- who's hit pretty well against lefties- can get some games in at first to spell Morneau. Plus, the bench is MUCH more powerful than it has been all season.

                  Nothing's a guarantee, but these are very good moves by Huntington.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BigRon View Post
                    The Pirates have made significant moves- a veteran righthanded hitter with power and a track record in left (to replace the injured Marte), a decent veteran catcher with some power to spell Martin, and a veteran lefthanded first baseman with a good history. Morneau's hitting very well lately. He can replace Jones at first, who's been mostly poor this year. IF Jones starts hitting again he can platoon with Tabata in right, and Sanchez- who's hit pretty well against lefties- can get some games in at first to spell Morneau. Plus, the bench is MUCH more powerful than it has been all season.

                    Nothing's a guarantee, but these are very good moves by Huntington.
                    Justin can't hit lefties anymore.... .209/.248/.288/.536. His last 3 seasons against that side look like this.... .240/.290/.360/.650. With that said, I don't see Sanchez losing any playing time. Against righties, he is a huge upgrade over Jones this season.... .281/.343/.488/.831.

                    Marte comes off the DL tomorrow when the clock strikes midnight. Byrd definitely has RF locked down vs lefties. Buczilla would think it would be hard to even sit him against righties considering he has gone .305/.349/.555/.904 in his past 81 games(335 PA). Buczilla knows GI Jones gets up to play against the Cards and Reds, but over the past 100 games he has produced a line of .223/.281/.395/.676. Tbats has gone .273/.341/.409/.750 since he came back from injury in the early goings of July.

                    Huntington has a trophy piece coming his way. It's gotta be pretty much in the bag now.
                    Last edited by Buczilla; 09-01-2013, 08:50 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Morneau is back. He has finally recovered from his last con concussion from a few years ago and he will rip the cover offif the ball for Pitt. I was sad to see him leave.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by pheasant View Post
                        Morneau is back. He has finally recovered from his last con concussion from a few years ago and he will rip the cover offif the ball for Pitt. I was sad to see him leave.
                        I really liked him when he came up with the Twins as a young power hitting kid. He was really in awe when the Rockies came to town, and his two favorite players (both fellow Canadian countrymen) Corey Koskie and Larry Walker were going to be there playing on the same field as he was in the damn Dome. Of course he played with Koskie, being the Twins' 3Bman, but having Walker come to town and the three awesome Canadians together was a thrill Morneau talked about in an interview in the Star-Tribune.

                        I remember one of the first HRs I saw Justin hit, it went WAAAAAAY up over the baggie! The Dome went wild! That damn flashing milk jug blinking down the RF line and all. I hated that damn milk jug.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Herr28 View Post
                          I really liked him when he came up with the Twins as a young power hitting kid. He was really in awe when the Rockies came to town, and his two favorite players (both fellow Canadian countrymen) Corey Koskie and Larry Walker were going to be there playing on the same field as he was in the damn Dome. Of course he played with Koskie, being the Twins' 3Bman, but having Walker come to town and the three awesome Canadians together was a thrill Morneau talked about in an interview in the Star-Tribune.

                          I remember one of the first HRs I saw Justin hit, it went WAAAAAAY up over the baggie! The Dome went wild! That damn flashing milk jug blinking down the RF line and all. I hated that damn milk jug.
                          I remember reading when Morneau first started getting national attention that he was a real physical specimen, insanely strong in the upper body (like you hear about Chris Davis now). It's a shame that such a bull of a guy has been felled so much by concussion problems, but sometimes it can be a long process of recovery from getting your bell rung.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Dude Paskert View Post
                            I remember reading when Morneau first started getting national attention that he was a real physical specimen, insanely strong in the upper body (like you hear about Chris Davis now). It's a shame that such a bull of a guy has been felled so much by concussion problems, but sometimes it can be a long process of recovery from getting your bell rung.
                            I was surprised too, because it really didn't look like his head took much of a hit by that infielder's leg/knee. Crazy how head injuries work though. We had a lot of problems with them in Iraq and Afghanistan, and all you could do was hope a guy could come back from that brain injury.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Dude Paskert View Post
                              I remember reading when Morneau first started getting national attention that he was a real physical specimen, insanely strong in the upper body (like you hear about Chris Davis now). It's a shame that such a bull of a guy has been felled so much by concussion problems, but sometimes it can be a long process of recovery from getting your bell rung.
                              he also had a few other injuries before the concussion (for example a stress fracture in the back). he always was very injury prone, otherwise he would have probably had HOF talent.
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