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  • Please Do Not Talk About Players Who Have Not Been Picked Yet
    "he probably used some performance enhancing drugs so he could do a better job on his report...i hear they make you gain weight" - Dr. Zizmor

    "I thought it was interesting and yes a conversation piece. Next time I post a similar story I will close with the question "So, do you think either of them have used steroids?" so that I can make the topic truly relevant to discussions about today's game." - Eric Davis

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqul1GyK7-g

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    • Of course, people without CFers still have to worry about someone who has a CFer taking another one, and putting one of them in LF or RF.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDxgNjMTPIs

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      • Originally posted by ChrisLDuncan View Post
        Please Do Not Talk About Players Who Have Not Been Picked Yet

        Deleted it.

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        • Thanks, however I really don't think that guy was a sleeper However in speaking of players who are eligible for multiple positions. Mickey Mantle can play first base and every where in the OF. However, it'd be a bad idea to put him anywhere than center.
          "he probably used some performance enhancing drugs so he could do a better job on his report...i hear they make you gain weight" - Dr. Zizmor

          "I thought it was interesting and yes a conversation piece. Next time I post a similar story I will close with the question "So, do you think either of them have used steroids?" so that I can make the topic truly relevant to discussions about today's game." - Eric Davis

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqul1GyK7-g

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          • Baseball prospectus has WARP scores. Warp I does not assume league quality differences. Warp III attempts to quantify league quality increases over time.

            Warp sets the baseline way too low so its not totally accurate. It sets a replacement player as one who is only about a 70 ops+ AND a replacement level defensive player. A true replacement player would not be that bad in both areas. As a result, guys get credit just for showing up.

            It doesn't give credit for taking extra bases on the hits of others due to speed, which may account for 1 warp per year for a great top runner in his prime, 1/2 for a very good one, and also a comparable deduction for a slow baserunner.


            They also have "translated batting stats" which are one way of trying to say how one player would produce in a different time and place. Wagner, in '08 for example translates to a .371 average, 54 doubles and 57 home runs! Of course, league quality is not in effect there. Ruth's translated home runs are about 1070!

            You also can see players defensive trends with FRAA. Cobb, for example was probably a near gold glove level centerfielder during the 5 years I got him, but a little below average later on.

            Ted Williams was actually an above average left fielder overall through about 1951 though '41 was a bad year.
            Last edited by brett; 01-12-2008, 05:48 PM.

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            • Originally posted by ChrisLDuncan View Post
              That was an amazing pick. I would have taken Collins if the CFs didn't dry up so quickly.

              Thanks. Where do you think I should put them in the order?

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              • You also can see players defensive trends with FRAA. Cobb, for example was probably a near gold glove level centerfielder during the 5 years I got him, but a little below average later on.
                I wouldn't use FRAA for anything more than a vague guideline, and maybe not even for that. I've seen too many things that it rates FAR differently than what almost everyone agrees should be correct.

                Thanks. Where do you think I should put them in the order?
                I'd put Cobb as your leadoff, but for Collins, it probably depends on who else you end up getting...
                Last edited by Wade8813; 01-12-2008, 06:09 PM.
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDxgNjMTPIs

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                • Originally posted by brett View Post
                  Thanks. Where do you think I should put them in the order?
                  Ahead of Cobb, Cobb has more power and should hit with Collins on base.
                  "he probably used some performance enhancing drugs so he could do a better job on his report...i hear they make you gain weight" - Dr. Zizmor

                  "I thought it was interesting and yes a conversation piece. Next time I post a similar story I will close with the question "So, do you think either of them have used steroids?" so that I can make the topic truly relevant to discussions about today's game." - Eric Davis

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqul1GyK7-g

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                    Last edited by Wade8813; 01-12-2008, 06:38 PM.
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                    • Originally posted by Wade8813 View Post
                      Philkid3, you're up.
                      DMF is up. PhilKid took Grove to go with Maddux.

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                      • AstroFan, I am proud of that pick man.

                        Morgan's 5 year peak is absolutely top, and he gets big plusses for his additional baserunning.

                        You've got Williams with about a .500 on base percentage for his prime and now Morgan with about .430 in "that" era when the league was under .330. It also is nice to get a .500 slugging percentage from your second baseman.
                        Last edited by brett; 01-12-2008, 06:52 PM.

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                        • Yeah, I goofed - I don't know how I thought PhilKid was up
                          Last edited by Wade8813; 01-12-2008, 07:11 PM.
                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDxgNjMTPIs

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                          • WOW, I immediately regret asking AF to join this draft I thought Morgan would slip and I could get a crack at him. Not cool man, not cool I considered taking him with my first pick, he had a brilliant five year peak. Great pick.


                            Looks like we'll have a solid draft.
                            Last edited by ChrisLDuncan; 01-12-2008, 07:18 PM.
                            "he probably used some performance enhancing drugs so he could do a better job on his report...i hear they make you gain weight" - Dr. Zizmor

                            "I thought it was interesting and yes a conversation piece. Next time I post a similar story I will close with the question "So, do you think either of them have used steroids?" so that I can make the topic truly relevant to discussions about today's game." - Eric Davis

                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqul1GyK7-g

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                            • Originally posted by brett View Post
                              AstroFan, I am proud of that pick man.

                              Morgan's 5 year peak is absolutely top, and he gets big plusses for his additional baserunning.

                              You've got Williams with about a .500 on base percentage for his prime and now Morgan with about .430 in "that" era when the league was under .330. It also is nice to get a .500 slugging percentage from your second baseman.
                              Oh yeah, imagine Morgan hitting ahead of Williams. Morgan had a 69.4 WARP through that stretch, a second basemen who was the savant at getting on base, hit for great power, and played gold glove defense? Hell, looking through this again I may have to move Morgan up on my rankings.
                              Last edited by ChrisLDuncan; 01-12-2008, 07:02 PM.
                              "he probably used some performance enhancing drugs so he could do a better job on his report...i hear they make you gain weight" - Dr. Zizmor

                              "I thought it was interesting and yes a conversation piece. Next time I post a similar story I will close with the question "So, do you think either of them have used steroids?" so that I can make the topic truly relevant to discussions about today's game." - Eric Davis

                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqul1GyK7-g

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                              • Morgan's really good, but I wouldn't say he's quite as amazing as you guys are saying. First round pick? That seems extreme.
                                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDxgNjMTPIs

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