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  • #61
    Originally posted by Disgruntaledmarinerfan View Post
    I actually would rather we didn't use players from before 1900. It really seems to make thing a whole lot harder when pre 1900 player are included.
    It would make a lot more research for me. I know basically nothing about pre-1900 players.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDxgNjMTPIs

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Disgruntaledmarinerfan View Post
      I actually would rather we didn't use players from before 1900. It really seems to make thing a whole lot harder when pre 1900 player are included.
      But those who pick them will also risk that they will not be given proper credit.

      And what about Young? If you use a stretch from the 1800s, he may have good stats, but he may be evaluated lower because of the comp.

      And anyway, a pitcher from the 1880s with 475 innings and a warp of like 15 would be a lot less valuable than a guy with 275 innings and a warp of 10 because the 475 inning guy has to pitch 30% of his team's innings to rack up that value. He's basically cutting out the value of the other pitchers on his team. A couple of 1800s guys would have the second and third best 5 year pitching peaks based on warp I but its all because of their huge innings which doesn't maximize value on a team full of good pitchers.

      By the way, someone mentioned AL rules. Does that mean that we should plan on having a DH in the lineup?

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      • #63
        --Two leagues (or divisions) will be easier to work with. Splitting the draft into 2 half would also speed things up and I'd be happy with that. The only problem is it would be harder to monitor since we'd have 2 groups picking from the same pool of players. Guys would probably end up getting picked in both drafts and we'd have to sort that out. Not sure the quicker pace would be worth the oversite headaches.

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        • #64
          I'm fairly sure if we had 2 leagues, it would be 2 separate pools of players.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDxgNjMTPIs

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          • #65
            --How would they be divided? You'd almost have to start over if you were using two pools.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by leecemark View Post
              --How would they be divided? You'd almost have to start over if you were using two pools.
              Two seperate pools as in, each league gets every player in history. Like two Ruths, two Bonds', and so on.
              "he probably used some performance enhancing drugs so he could do a better job on his report...i hear they make you gain weight" - Dr. Zizmor

              "I thought it was interesting and yes a conversation piece. Next time I post a similar story I will close with the question "So, do you think either of them have used steroids?" so that I can make the topic truly relevant to discussions about today's game." - Eric Davis

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqul1GyK7-g

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              • #67
                I made a poll. You can vote there. Popular opinion rules. I decided to have this be a democracy rather than a dictatorship
                "he probably used some performance enhancing drugs so he could do a better job on his report...i hear they make you gain weight" - Dr. Zizmor

                "I thought it was interesting and yes a conversation piece. Next time I post a similar story I will close with the question "So, do you think either of them have used steroids?" so that I can make the topic truly relevant to discussions about today's game." - Eric Davis

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqul1GyK7-g

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by brett View Post
                  But those who pick them will also risk that they will not be given proper credit.

                  And what about Young? If you use a stretch from the 1800s, he may have good stats, but he may be evaluated lower because of the comp.

                  And anyway, a pitcher from the 1880s with 475 innings and a warp of like 15 would be a lot less valuable than a guy with 275 innings and a warp of 10 because the 475 inning guy has to pitch 30% of his team's innings to rack up that value. He's basically cutting out the value of the other pitchers on his team. A couple of 1800s guys would have the second and third best 5 year pitching peaks based on warp I but its all because of their huge innings which doesn't maximize value on a team full of good pitchers.
                  See, this is what sucks about having smart guys in your draft. Not only do they take the good players you want, they also bring up interesting and challenging questions. I guess, that's another caveat. I doubt anyone would really scoff at Cy Young being selected and I'm sure everyone in each poll championships would treat him as a legit ace, I just don't think many would expect him to pitch over 350 innings. So I guess those pitchers are okay, but just don't expect the people voting in the polls to think that they will dominate in a more "modern" context. Does that make any sense?

                  By the way, someone mentioned AL rules. Does that mean that we should plan on having a DH in the lineup?
                  Yes. However you can DH anyone, so if you want to DH Honus Wagner, that's cool by me.
                  "he probably used some performance enhancing drugs so he could do a better job on his report...i hear they make you gain weight" - Dr. Zizmor

                  "I thought it was interesting and yes a conversation piece. Next time I post a similar story I will close with the question "So, do you think either of them have used steroids?" so that I can make the topic truly relevant to discussions about today's game." - Eric Davis

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqul1GyK7-g

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by ChrisLDuncan View Post
                    Two seperate pools as in, each league gets every player in history. Like two Ruths, two Bonds', and so on.

                    --Using everybody twice the one option I wouldn't care to play with. An all time draft with only 7 teams is way too deep and you don't really have any interesting choices to make. If it was split somehow two league's would be fine, but not 2 leagues with both being able to draft anybody.

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                    • #70
                      Cast Your Votes People!
                      "he probably used some performance enhancing drugs so he could do a better job on his report...i hear they make you gain weight" - Dr. Zizmor

                      "I thought it was interesting and yes a conversation piece. Next time I post a similar story I will close with the question "So, do you think either of them have used steroids?" so that I can make the topic truly relevant to discussions about today's game." - Eric Davis

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqul1GyK7-g

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by leecemark View Post
                        --Using everybody twice the one option I wouldn't care to play with. An all time draft with only 7 teams is way too deep and you don't really have any interesting choices to make. If it was split somehow two league's would be fine, but not 2 leagues with both being able to draft anybody.
                        I disagree. It's way too complicated, IMO, if we have two leagues and use the same pool. One would constantly have to check the other draft to see who is being picked. There will still be over 100 position players picked with 7 teams, so I think the choices will be interesting enough.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Wee Willie View Post
                          I disagree. It's way too complicated, IMO, if we have two leagues and use the same pool. One would constantly have to check the other draft to see who is being picked. There will still be over 100 position players picked with 7 teams, so I think the choices will be interesting enough.
                          It would be unweildy, which is why we should continue this draft. Who's up next?
                          "Simply put, the passion, interest and tradition surrounding baseball in New York is unmatched."

                          Sean McAdam, ESPN.com

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by ElHalo View Post
                            It would be unweildy, which is why we should continue this draft. Who's up next?
                            Yeah, let's just continue. Yanks is up.

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                            • #74
                              well i hope none of the 14 guys are gonna quit or be gone for a long period of time... cuz the NL draft last time took like several months too long. since we're going with 14 teams draft now, should we actually start the clock now? or just wait til we get the first round done and then start it?

                              also how are we rating defense, if we're doing that?
                              "Back before I injured my hip, I thought going to the gym was for wimps."
                              Bo Jackson

                              Actually, I think they were about the same because I lettered in all sports, and I was a two-time state decathlon champion.
                              Bo Jackson

                              My sophomore year I placed 2nd, and my junior and senior year - I got smart and piled up enough points between myself and second place where I didn't have to run the mile.
                              Bo Jackson

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                              • #75
                                It looks like we are keeping one league, which is just fine to me.

                                Lets get the ball rolling already..
                                Originally posted by Domenic
                                The Yankees should see if Yogi Berra can still get behind the plate - he has ten World Series rings... he must be worth forty or fifty million a season.

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